I would say pro Putin people can’t be called leftists they are nazis in red.
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Arelin@lemmy.zip 1 year agoBeing vehemently against racism and fascism is left. It’s the logical extreme opposite of “a certain group of people are superior to everyone else”: “everyone is equal and their basic necessities should be provided for free”
You just seem to disagree with the folks over on grad and Lemmy devs on how that can be achieved, and maybe to what extent it should be. They believe an authority is necessary to enforce those rules, or you get corporations and billionaires steering the government to wage wars for profit from oil, materials etc. like what’s happening now.
Personally, I see being pro-China like they are on grad as much less worrying than being pro-US, the latter of which I have a feeling .world mods wouldn’t block because of their western bias. Only one of the two countries have constantly invaded other countries for their resources and overthrown democratically elected foreign governments to replace them with military dictatorships.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Arelin@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I don’t think they’re pro-Putin? Seem to be as much against Russian imperialism and capitalism as they are for US.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 year ago
and I saw some very pro Putin shit in places like chapotraphouse,even people for the genocide of ukraine
TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I do wonder how much of that is Russian psyop. I feel like the whole chapotraphouse thing was started or at least very influenced by bad actors and propaganda bots.
EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“I found literally one comment that doesn’t support Putin so clearly thie tankie instance doesn’t support him!”
SeducingCamel@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I literally have a hexbear account. People scream that the tankies love putin and that couldn’t be further from the truth. USSR? Yes but they shit on modern day Russia a lot
Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The People of Tibet might disagree there. But this is a discussion for another Time.
I’m not pro US either, tho. I just call out evil when I see it. And that’s my Problem with Lemygrad. They seem to believe there are only two sides. I can say America does bad things and China, Russia etc. does bad things. They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done. And that’s not how we come forward. Evil is Evil is Evil. No matter who does it.
Arelin@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
That’s a heavy oversimplification of everything on there… I see the folks on grad being mad about bad decisions by China just the same; they just heavily scrutinize negative news for bias or misinfo, as people should do for everything.
If you do scrutinize your news and sources, I think it’s only natural that you’d end up being very anti-west/imperialism, and far less anti-China, specially considering the grip western media and news have on the world. The two are just not equivalent at all.
Here’s an example of that. The fact that ~90% of Tibetans can speak their cultural language compared to the ~8% of North Americans that can speak theirs means they’re just not comparable or equivalent. The only countries accusing China of such a fucked up crime like cultural repression are western ones with a political/economic interest for doing so. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this and Xinjiang.
Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You don’t get it. I don’t compare. It is not that is worse than that. China attacked Tibet and conquered their Land. I don’t need to compare this to the US. I don’t care if Country XYZ says it was good. Evil is Evil is Evil. Pull yourself away from comparing. You don’t have to weigh Evil against each other.
Arelin@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Shouldn’t we look at different sources and scrutinize events and claims thoroughly? You seem to be thinking you’re being objective by taking a centrist position on these but this
is a western claim, and exactly what the US and EU wants its citizens to think by drawing a false equivalence between them and their geopolitical rival. Tibet had a popular revolutionary party whose views were in line with the rest of China that wanted China’s help overthrowing the Dalai Lama, under whom slavery and serfdom was common in the region. Tibet is an autonomous region now.
Hell, the Tibetan uprising against the Chinese government later on was organized by the CIA, and the US is open about it and even proud of it now. Here’s a book on that written by a US district judge and a journal by a poffessor on Tibetan studies. It’s similar to how the US overthrew the democratically elected Mosaddegh in Iran because his policies would benefit Iran instead of the US.
DessertStorms@kbin.social 1 year ago
Amazing, it only took you 2 comments to land right on genocide denial, unprovoked.
You're a tankie, defending other tankies, and tankies aren't communists, nor are you on the left, since you clearly aren't in support of freedom and equality for all, never mind the rest of it, just more of the same bullshit - authoritarians co opting leftist ideas and language to grab power. Tale as old as fucking time..
Arelin@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Jesus christ, you don’t seem to realize how much of a fucked up accusation that is. Even the US State Department, who would love to throw around any and all accusations at the their geopolitical rivals, says there’s no mass killings in China, probably because the US couldn’t cause one like they did in 1965 in Indonesia.
Even if it’s not intentional, these kinds of thoughtless claims downplay actual mass killings like the one Israel is perpetrating against native Palestinians right now.
Hence why it’s important to scrutinize news, sources and claims, and not throw around baseless ones.
I do think we need a democratically elected authority though, or you get corporations and billionaires steering the government to wage wars for profit from oil, materials etc. like what’s happening now with Israel.
Perhaps one like Cuba, which is Socialist and has one of the most open democracies in the world. It has an unusually high percentage of women in the government compared to the rest of the world thanks to that; 53.22% now (U.S has 29.0%), and better LGBT rights than the US nowadays. Also free healthcare, and enough free high level education to provide Italy with doctors during the pandemic, despite the ongoing 60 year US embargo.
EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Arelin@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Very mature of you.