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Do you believe everything you hear a company say who has proven themselves to be untrustworthy?

End to end doesn’t necessarily mean that the middle can’t read it, it just means strangers listening can’t read it. WhatsApp isn’t open source, and auditing that encryption on a binary level would prove difficult.

As we have seen, companies can also bow to the wills of governments, and if enough pressure is applied they often agree to backdoors.

If it’s not open source, it’s a scam.

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Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

End to end doesn’t necessarily mean that the middle can’t read it, it just means strangers listening can’t read it.

I thought it meant nobody between the two ends can read it.

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- tsonfeir@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  End->(public network)->WhatsApp->(public network)->End
  
  So, no stranger can see read it.
  
  The key word is stranger. WhatsApp made the encryption you’re using and could (and I’m sure does) have the ability to decrypt it.
  
  True end to end is where you and your partner have keys and you both encrypt on the client side, and don’t tell the middle man. That way no malicious intent from the server could ever decrypt the actual message.
  
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  - Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    True end to end is where you and your partner have keys and you both encrypt on the client side, and don’t tell the middle man. That way no malicious intent from the server could ever decrypt the actual message.
    
    That’s how the Signal protocol they’re using is working
    
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    tsonfeir@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    WhatsApp is not peer to peer.
    
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