Comment on A perfect visualisation of a wasteful system
Pratai@lemmy.ca 9 months agoSo… you think they should give beds away? Thats hilarious!
Look kid, capitalism sucks. No one with a functioning brain is going to argue against this point. But going full bore extreme to the opposite side is just a fucking stupid.
You’ll understand this when you grow up
rockSlayer@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Infantilize me all you want, that doesn’t change the fact that I’m college educated and in my late 20s. Explain to me why we can’t distribute beds to people. If we can, then please explain why we have to have homeless people.
Pratai@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Because beds won’t fix their problem. How do I know this? Because almost every state in the country has beds available for them. They don’t want them. Because with those beds come rules. And they don’t want to live by those rules.
Go ahead, prove me wrong. Show me homeless shelters that are overbooked and full.
rockSlayer@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Tell me you don’t know anything about the homeless situation with telling me. Homeless shelters are not a solution to homelessness.
Pratai@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
And bed stores giving out free beds isn’t either. Grow up.
daltotron@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Those rules tend to kind of suck, to be fair. Certainly, if I was homeless, and had a dog, I wouldn’t really want to stay in any homeless shelter that banned me from keeping pets, if I didn’t absolutely have to. It’s really funny to me that people try to defend policies against drug use, or against holding drugs on the basis of addiction or something. I dunno, I thought it was a pretty common opinion to just want drugs to be legal since we all drink coffee and monster energy and IPAs anyways, and at this point I’d rather have heroin, or cocaine sprinkled honey buns, if for nothing else than to spice things up a little. Withdrawal symptoms are a sometimes lethal bitch, and that’s gonna be much harder to surmount outside of a shelter, than inside one, though, would be the main point of contention. IME homeless shelters tend to be populated on the usefulness of their service relative to putting up with “actual” homelessness. If your shelter is less useful than being homeless for most people, then most people will choose being homeless over your shelter.
And that’s not even really getting into the nonprofit shelters that basically require religious indoctrination on the half of the homeless, which is super scummy, or how lots of homeless shelters are super “out of the way”, and eliminate the homeless’s ability to be self-sufficient, or to seek help from whatever meager support network they tend to have. Or how homeless shelters are full of homeless people, and thus, suck to live in for everyone involved, relative to owning your own tent, where you can just move all your shit somewhere else in the event that you don’t like someone. Or how means-tested support programs tend to usually waste a ton of their budget testing the means of their applicants.
Overall I think even probably if you lived in like a communist utopian whatever whatever society with 0.1% homelessness and 99% employment or whatever, you’d probably still have, at the very least, a warehouse where you kept some excess beds, or where people could see which bed they wanted, that sort of thing, so it’s not like this picture is really illustrative of that much beyond just the plain visual irony of it, sort of in a similar genre to other pictures of, say, homeless people camping out underneath a huge trump billboard saying he’s building a new hotel or high rise or something. I dunno, this is the sort of shit you see on tiktok side by side with memes saying that jimmy fallon looks like the pink bug from backyardigans.
Pratai@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
The rules aren’t there to be agreed with. It’s how it is. If you’re homeless with a pet- that’s not anyone’s problem but yours. No one is obligated to take care of your responsibilities for you.
I’m all for anyone getting help, but not at the expense of people having to bow down and coddle to people who can’t see that they are- wether they are intentionally or not, a burden. And if you’re a burden- you don’t get to pick what rules you’ll follow.
Having said that- I understand that some people can’t help the situation they’re in- but we can have separate rules for those that wish to play along, and those that don’t.
Not when it’s a taxpayer expense. People tend to get pissed when they’re paying for a homeless guy’s dog food.
Moving forward-
No business is responsible for bedding and housing the homeless. This is NOT a capitalist ideology. It’s a logical one. The owner of that business cannot afford to just give away his inventory. Even under a democratic socialist economy- suggesting so is fucking stupid. (Not saying you’re suggesting so for the record)
We’ve come to some conclusion lately that everyone should give up their possessions, inventory, and whatever else to support those that don’t have those things- while a guarantee you that all the whiny SJWs here on Lemmy would have a shit-fit if they were asked to give up their own shit.
Fine to blame me for just being honest, as I honestly don’t care what these kids think of me- but I only hope that when they grow up- they’ll come to understand that their ideology has been incredibly flawed and that life exists within the gray area between what they only see as black and white.
BeneGesseritWitch@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
No, they do not all have beds available, the space is extremely limited. Some places have less then half the beds needed for their states homeless population. https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homelessness-statistics/state-of-homelessness/#homeless-assistance-in-america
Pratai@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
For the record, that article is bogus. It’s counting total homeless population against beds available- NOT homeless seeking needs vs beds available.
There are TONS of homeless people that don’t want to seek shelter because most sheltered won’t let you do drugs there.
This would be the same thing as if I tried to argue that there’s a housing shortage because we are counting people that already live in houses or in nursing homes as people wanting to have houses and there’s not enough for these people.
Try again. This time- use actual numbers that represent homeless NEEDING beds.
Pratai@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
K.
BeneGesseritWitch@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
I mean you did ask for it
Pratai@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
And haven’t seen proof yet.