Comment on A perfect visualisation of a wasteful system

• Pratai@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So… you think they should give beds away? Thats hilarious!

  Look kid, capitalism sucks. No one with a functioning brain is going to argue against this point. But going full bore extreme to the opposite side is just a fucking stupid.

  You’ll understand this when you grow up

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  • rockSlayer@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Infantilize me all you want, that doesn’t change the fact that I’m college educated and in my late 20s. Explain to me why we can’t distribute beds to people. If we can, then please explain why we have to have homeless people.

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    • Pratai@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Because beds won’t fix their problem. How do I know this? Because almost every state in the country has beds available for them. They don’t want them. Because with those beds come rules. And they don’t want to live by those rules.

      Go ahead, prove me wrong. Show me homeless shelters that are overbooked and full.

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      • rockSlayer@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Tell me you don’t know anything about the homeless situation with telling me. Homeless shelters are not a solution to homelessness.

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      • daltotron@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And they don’t want to live by those rules.

        Those rules tend to kind of suck, to be fair. Certainly, if I was homeless, and had a dog, I wouldn’t really want to stay in any homeless shelter that banned me from keeping pets, if I didn’t absolutely have to. It’s really funny to me that people try to defend policies against drug use, or against holding drugs on the basis of addiction or something. I dunno, I thought it was a pretty common opinion to just want drugs to be legal since we all drink coffee and monster energy and IPAs anyways, and at this point I’d rather have heroin, or cocaine sprinkled honey buns, if for nothing else than to spice things up a little. Withdrawal symptoms are a sometimes lethal bitch, and that’s gonna be much harder to surmount outside of a shelter, than inside one, though, would be the main point of contention. IME homeless shelters tend to be populated on the usefulness of their service relative to putting up with “actual” homelessness. If your shelter is less useful than being homeless for most people, then most people will choose being homeless over your shelter.

        And that’s not even really getting into the nonprofit shelters that basically require religious indoctrination on the half of the homeless, which is super scummy, or how lots of homeless shelters are super “out of the way”, and eliminate the homeless’s ability to be self-sufficient, or to seek help from whatever meager support network they tend to have. Or how homeless shelters are full of homeless people, and thus, suck to live in for everyone involved, relative to owning your own tent, where you can just move all your shit somewhere else in the event that you don’t like someone. Or how means-tested support programs tend to usually waste a ton of their budget testing the means of their applicants.

        Overall I think even probably if you lived in like a communist utopian whatever whatever society with 0.1% homelessness and 99% employment or whatever, you’d probably still have, at the very least, a warehouse where you kept some excess beds, or where people could see which bed they wanted, that sort of thing, so it’s not like this picture is really illustrative of that much beyond just the plain visual irony of it, sort of in a similar genre to other pictures of, say, homeless people camping out underneath a huge trump billboard saying he’s building a new hotel or high rise or something. I dunno, this is the sort of shit you see on tiktok side by side with memes saying that jimmy fallon looks like the pink bug from backyardigans.

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      • BeneGesseritWitch@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No, they do not all have beds available, the space is extremely limited. Some places have less then half the beds needed for their states homeless population. https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homelessness-statistics/state-of-homelessness/#homeless-assistance-in-america

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      • BeneGesseritWitch@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Go ahead, prove me wrong.

        I mean you did ask for it

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