The vast majority of humans can thrive/be healthy on a vegan diet
I don’t think so
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oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 9 months agoThe vast majority of humans can thrive/be healthy on a vegan diet, therefore it’s not consuming for survival. That’s an excuse or ignorance (again, for the vast majority of humans, especially those who are reading this. There are always exceptions tho)
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 9 months ago
the scientific consensus is that a well planned vegan diet can be healthy for all stages of human life. Plant staple foods are some of the cheapest foods around (rice, beans, grains)
LemmysMum@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Conveniently forgetting that the only reason a healthy nutritionally balanced vegan or vegetarian diet is even remotely possible is due to globalised trade and access to internationally produced and shipped vegetables.
To maintain a nutritionally complete vegan diet for an individual year round actually requires far more use of fossil fuels and directly released carbon emissions due to limited seasonality and local accessibility than a cow produces for the same nutrient density and complexity locally.
Here’s a “fun” fact, first world demand for fruit and grain variety has out priced primary sources of food for local populations in third world countries including things like lentils, quinoa, and avocados.
sbs.com.au/…/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-there-s… independent.co.uk/…/veganism-environment-veganuar… theguardian.com/…/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-trut…
oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 9 months ago
sbs.com.au/…/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-there-s… did you read the editors note at the bottom?
independent.co.uk/…/veganism-environment-veganuar… the main thrust of the article is buy more locally grown food, grow your own food? I agree with that lol. To go a step further, community gardens are good!
theguardian.com/…/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-trut… yeah I agree eat less quinoa and asparagus. See also the footnote
Those things are failures of our food system, and problems we could and should solve. The cool thing about eating plants is it doesn’t inherently require exploiting other sentient beings, but it does still happen unfortunately. That goes for animal ag too tho, and animal agriculture inherently depends on the exploitation
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37034619 last two paragraphs
telegraph.co.uk/…/parents-raise-children-vegans-s… the vegans in that post make good points. Obviously negligent parents are a problem, vegan or no
To maintain a nutritionally complete vegan diet for an individual year round actually requires far more use of fossil fuels and directly released carbon emissions due to limited seasonality and local accessibility than a cow produces for the same nutrient density and complexity locally
did I miss the source on this?
Here’s a source for you to read, I read the ones you linked www.nature.com/articles/s43016-023-00795-w
while this doesn’t go super in depth, it’s a counterpoint to the idea that veganism (And definitely vegetarianism) is only possible with global trade. www.iamgoingvegan.com/vegan-cultures/
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
none of those mean that the vast majority of humans can thrive or even be healthy on a vegan diet. and while the food itself may be cheap, it may lack convenience or cultural appropriateness, and therefore come with costs that are hidden at the checkout counter.
oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 9 months ago
sure, there are a lot of factors that would make it difficult. If most people can’t afford to be vegan (for monetary or other cost reasons especially) that reflects a failure of our food system. Our food system hasn’t even gotten to the point of ensuring nobody goes hungry, we should be using our cropland to feed humans not other animals (look up how much of our crops go to livestock)
we should end the biggest problems first, and start with ending factory farms, but we should also remember that culture is not a good reason to hurt others
LemmysMum@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Vegans just casually creating a class system to value one life above others.
oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 9 months ago
What? That’s what you took from vegans saying “stop killing others unnecessarily”?
Carnists are literally putting out an idea that values someones sensory pleasure over the lives of others and then acting accordingly and killing by the billions each year.
LemmysMum@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The word you’re looking for is omnivore, not carnist.
How many house plants have you killed not for the purpose of your own survival?
oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 9 months ago
Carnist, omnivore, speciesist. If the shoe fits 🤷
To the best of my knowledge plants are not sentient. If they were I would take much better care of houseplants and still be vegan because eating other animals still kills way more plants (google trophic levels)