I’ll learn to trade deez nuts
Comment on AI won't take your job, might shrink your wages, European Central Bank reckons
Outtatime@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
People whose jobs can be taken by AI need to learn a trade.
MataVatnik@lemmy.world 6 months ago
frunch@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Castration is an option, though it may not be as lucrative as you’ve been led to believe
MataVatnik@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’ll cut off my balls, put them on a string, and throw it around like Spiderman to teabag people from a distance
Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
People whose jobs can be taken by AI means every human. ALL OF US. It’s just a question of how soon. Some jobs will still need humans for several decades, others will not.
What we all collectively need to do is acknowledge that we are winning. This is the endgame of civilization, and our victory condition is 100% unemployment, because no one should be required to work.
But we need to acknowledge that tying a person’s means of living to a ‘productive job’ is no longer viable, and people need to live even without doing something ‘productive’.
frunch@lemmy.world 6 months ago
There’s only room for so many tradespeople though. What is everyone else gonna do?
jmp242@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
Probably different jobs. We seem to always come up with more stuff to do than we get with productivity improvements. Also with population declines we are seeing impending continued labor shortages. And there’s a big need for tradespeople generally due to not enough people going into it for decades.
I keep thinking eventually we’ll get to a post scarcity society a la Star Trek and either need a different economic system or we will continue to slide into dystopia and risk revolution, but that also seems further off as I see how slowly the various tech actually improves, mixed with plenty of issues making society unstable happening now. So we might well get dystopia before we lose “all” jobs to automation.
It’s worth pointing out humanity has been worried about automation since at least the 1700s and yet even with all the tech advances we still have much higher average and median standards of living over that time.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 months ago
We seem to always come up with more stuff to do than we get with productivity improvements
That’s because in the past, obsolete jobs have tended to be replaced. From wagon makers and coachmen to auto workers and cab drivers. From ice block deliverymen to refrigerator repairmen. From literal shit shovelers to plumbers. You get the idea.
This time is different though, for a few key reasons:
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The key selling point of the new way, other than convenience, is not having to pay people or indeed involve any of them unless absolutely necessary. NOT replacing lost jobs is part of the POINT.
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While the world has been on a trajectory of fewer and fewer people owning more and more of the world’s resources AND DECISION POWER for centuries, the last few decades of technological advances (which are of course a good thing when used well) coupled with regulatory capture have seen this trend explode like never before.
The robber barons and feudal nobility of old that we tend to look at as the personification of uneven and unjust societies would be absolutely aghast at the excesses and callousness if today’s business leaders and the politicians that enable them.
In other words, the people with the power to replace the lost income are incentivised not to like never before and many of them got where they are because they didn’t need any incentives to act callous and selfishly while forever striving for more more more and not giving a fuck about anyone who might get in the way of that.
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As others have pointed out, the only potential replacement jobs are basically just correcting errors the AI made, for which nobody’s paying anyone anywhere near as much as for actually creating things.
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Thanks to the previously mentioned regulatory capture as well as international treaties on which workers rarely have a say, it’s increasingly becoming illegal, even for sovereign countries, to hinder the profiteering of corporations for any reason, even the preservation of human lives.
So good luck securing dignity for the people economically displaced by the hot new thing that few of the elite understand, but almost all of them prefer over paying workers.
The time where everybody needs to work in order to survive but almost nobody is able to GET any work is approaching, and replacing writers and visual artists with lines of code will be a huge leap towards that dystopia if we don’t somehow band together and stop it.
jmp242@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
I just think I have heard this before, that this time is different. I am sure if you look back each major disruption had “this time is different”. And from what I’ve read, at no time did the robber barons of the age want to replace jobs, new jobs just happened.
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c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“learn to code!”
AI takes coding jobs
“Learn how to be a plumber!”
Outtatime@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Coding is a trade?
c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No, it’s been the catch all phrase used by people trying to avoid the inevitability of a fully automated economy that we need to begin preparing solutions for. It’s likely 100 years off but it’ll be a slow trickle of robotics and niche AI models slowly reducing the work that can be done by humans.
Yeah sure in the first fifty years a lot of jobs will be created for maintenance and repair of these machines and their VI’s, but eventually troubleshooting and maintenance can be done by machines as well.
Then what? What do we do when the population is in the billions and workable jobs are in the hundreds of thousands? Capitalism doesn’t have a solution for that, only a UBI of some kind will suffice.
Either that or most will starve while four or five families own trillions of dollars of economic production.
Outtatime@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Man that sounds pretty dystopian. Is everybody on this platform a Debbie downer?
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
And what would happen to trades wages if everyone and their mother switches to trades?
Melt@lemm.ee 6 months ago
They should learn how to sabotage AI
realitista@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Someone just watched the latest South Park episode.
sour@kbin.social 6 months ago
why
TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 6 months ago
As someone who's worked a trade for 20 years, please consider the incredible damage to your body it will do. I now have a torn rotator cuff and arthritis in my knees at 41. This is a warni ng.
schmorpel@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Both you and @Outtatime@sh.itjust.works have a point, and miss it by a bit. It’s not the point that a job that could be done by a robot is automatically useless, or that working in a trade is damaging.
Not the type of work does the damage, but the daily hours you do. Whoever said that every job must be done 8 or more hours a day? Can we call it a day at 12:30 if the work is heavy or damaging or monotonous? If I type 8 hours i suffer as much damage as a trade person working 8 hours, just in different parts of my body. Same for people who drive 8 hours or paint 8 hours every day.
If we got out of the mindset that a real job is something we have do at least 8 hours every day, we could do illustration, raising bonsai, writing novels in our free time. Without the pressure of survival in our necks. But we hand over most of our productivity to whoever owns ‘our’ corporations these days. There’s no need to do this anymore, we can get together and stop this.
Outtatime@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
What shit is a robot supposed to do? Please explain, in detail
TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 6 months ago
No. I don't feel like it. You can figure it out.
Outtatime@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
No u