@jupiter_rowland No, I didn't expect it to only to be about Mastodon -- in fact the article was very clear that "the active account data refers only to Mastodon servers, as other software don’t necessarily give this information". I was just highlighting that two large instances that disappeared from the stats and neither of them are Mastodon, so that implies something janky going on with the stats.
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jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu 11 months ago@Jon Did you seriously expect a #Fediverse analysis to be only about #Mastodon?
#MastodonIsNotTheFediverse. And misskey.io is not Mastodon either; it's the biggest #MissKey instance.
@Tim Chambers It's a pity that only a bunch of instances were analysed that were important in mid-March. The graph would look different if it had taken the recent #CalcKey growth into consideration.
#MastodonIsNotTheFediverse. And misskey.io is not Mastodon either; it's the biggest #MissKey instance.
@Tim Chambers It's a pity that only a bunch of instances were analysed that were important in mid-March. The graph would look different if it had taken the recent #CalcKey growth into consideration.
jdp23@indieweb.social 11 months ago
jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu 11 months ago
@Jon @Tim Chambers Well, as for Joindiaspora, it's currently shutting down by and by as announced. It's only kept online for users to export their account data, but posting is no longer possible.
In general, maybe Diaspora* has been taken out of the equation because it's only connected to a few projects on the fringes of the Fediverse. Diaspora* and Mastodon users can only interact in comment threads on e.g. Friendica or Hubzilla, if at all. Nonetheless, if it has been in the March analysis, it should have been in that from May as well. By the way, diasp.org is very much alive.
tchambers@indieweb.social 11 months ago
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I'd say: it's a start...and I could see from an analysis standpoint how the researcher started with what was doable directly via the #mastodon API. But hopefully to add others as they can.
Adding the author into this thread: @marcelcosta
And by definition, I'd think the decentralized story is likely only *better* when you assume the other non-Mastodon Fediverse data... the-federation.info now counts Calckey as 3,500 users, I think FediDB counts them as 8.700 users.
marcelcosta@bcn.fedi.cat 11 months ago
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Just a comment. @spla queried APIs from servers with many software installed, not just mastodon.
jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu 11 months ago
In this regard, I think the refusal to include Akkoma and CalcKey because Pleroma and MissKey are already there isn't quite smart. Pleroma barely matters because Akkoma outshines it, and MissKey only matters in Japan while CalcKey is booming over here.
mathias@friendica.hellquist.eu 11 months ago
@jupiter_rowland
In general I find it noteworthy that pretty much no one is talking about the phenomenal growth Akkoma has had since its launch, which was just over 1 year ago. Comparatively it is really impressive.
It is twice the size a certain other service that "everyone" talks about (and the same amount of MAU's, which admittedly speaks for the even newer service), and which I also wish well, but given the talk about it I would've expected it to be explosive...not half the amount of users of Akkoma.
I just find it noteworthy that there isn't a beep regarding Akkoma (unless it comes from me, and people are bored of me raving about it).
I wonder what would've happened if Akkoma had gotten the same exposure though, given that it has a similar feature set.
#ImNotBitter 😆
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marcelcosta@bcn.fedi.cat 11 months ago
I appreciate the need to make visible many software. This is part of the decentralization! I can do a second round of analysis looking at these. However, in this first part I focused in the user distribution between servers. I did a first analyisis including the software information (I have shared it, although is not in english), but will be interesting to see the dynamics, too!
I have to say that I did this analysis in my free time, so I am sure that many things can be improved!
jdp23@indieweb.social 11 months ago
@jupiter_rowland Is there actually a refusal to count those? Or is it just a combination of measurement artifacts (some don't show users) and that their numbers are too small to show up at this point? Calckey's growth for example is from a tiny starting point.
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marcelcosta@bcn.fedi.cat 11 months ago
>Is there actually a refusal to count those?
No, as far as I understand, if the API from the software returns users, there are counted. Akkoma is included for sure (and to note, I'm writing from a server with it :) ), not sure with calckey, but we can check it.
marcelcosta@bcn.fedi.cat 11 months ago
In theory, absolute accounts of servers include data from many softweres. It's the MAU value that only includes Mastodon servers. I think that both measures show the same trend, so.
And yes, API query must be improved. Some diaspora servers are excluded because of lag in answering. This should be addressed (although the biggest instance is alive but will close soon and doesn't accept new posts).
If there is interest on that, we can plot software distribution across servers and users.
jdp23@indieweb.social 11 months ago
@marcelcosta @jupiter_rowland @tchambers agreed, it's useful data despite the quirks-- and there's clearly interest!
There are several other measures of software and instance diversity that seem interesting to me: Mastodon's share of the overall Fediverse, mastodon.social's share of Mastodon, the top 10 instances' share of Mastodon, percentage of single-user instances and so on.
tchambers@indieweb.social 11 months ago
@marcelcosta @jupiter_rowland @jdp23
Thank you Marcel! And appreciate your joining into this discussion on your work!