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Whoresradish@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Hamas is as bad as Isreal, but they are Isreal’s own creation. Most Palestinians don’t support Hamas just like most Isrealis don’t support their own government. It is two governments trying to commit genocide on the others civilians. Their are no good guys here. Just thousands of innocent civilians being massacred on both sides. The main difference is the US has decided to give one of these governments committing genocide the most advanced weapons available and practically no governments are even trying to help the Palestinians anymore. Not to mention hamas is commiting genocide to take back land the palestinians had a 100 years ago while the isrealis are commiting genocide to take back land they had 2000 years ago while pretending the palestians never even existed and spouting off racist revisionist history.

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GoldenAxeDwarf@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Except Israel is a country that wants to live in peace and Hamas has IT IN THEIR FUCKING CHARTER that they want to kill all Jews.

And when Hamas actually acts on their charter, the whole world goes shocked-Pikachu-face and condemns Israel for slwf defense and not wanting to die.

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- HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  No. Hamas’ charter was written at a time when Israel was committing atrocities in Palestine. Noam Chomsky explains this pretty well. The original charter is basically irrevelent and has basically been disavowed by Hamas.
  
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  - fosforus@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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    HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Listen to what Chomsky has to say on the matter. If you can’t find it, I’ll see later.
    
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- Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The current charter says they would accept the 1969 borders.
  
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- endhits@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  “living in peace” is not invading someone’s land, taking their homes, slaughtering them, and putting them in a concentration camp for decades while killing kids when they retaliate.
  
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- blind3rdeye@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  IN THEIR FUCKING CHARTER
  
  Have you read it? It doesn’t say that.
  
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dx1@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yeah, Hamas isn’t as bad as Israel, it’s literally a resistance movement to the people that ethnically cleansed their population from their land and kept them in a concentration camp for two decades. The unbalanced condemnation tbph is the result of a concerted Israeli/Western propaganda campaign to obscure the context and nature of the attacks, including the hundreds of Palestinian people killed in 2023 before Oct. 7, and more fundamentally, the fact that Israel has been keeping 2.4M people in a high-tech concentration camp for the last two decades.

The atrocity claims against Hamas from Oct. 7 have some serious evidentiary issues at this point, even including some unknown number of the civilian deaths being attributable to the IDF (literally firing at, shelling and bombing Israeli citizens - though to be clear, there is video of Hamas shooting civilians as well).

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OniiFam@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

as bad as Israel

Lmao

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fosforus@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Hamas shouldn’t be even compared to Israel. One is a fucked up religious/fascist terrorist organization, the other one is one of the happiest and modern western countries in the world.

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- Whoresradish@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  How is Isreal not also a “fucked up religious/fascist terrorist organization”?
  
  You describe Isreal as happy and modern as some kind of defense, but having overwhelming military superiorty over neighbors, taking their land, and having extremely close ties with modernized western countries would cause that.
  
  How exactly is Isreal not religious (state religion is Judaism). How is it not terroristic (you kill one of their citizens they kill 10 of your citizens and take your land)? How is it not fascist when Gaza is literally a concentration camp for 2 million people? Two wrongs don’t make a right, and having bigger guns certainly doesn’t make them righteous.
  
  I wonder if the fact they aren’t muslim or as brown makes them better to you?
  
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  - fosforus@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    having overwhelming military superiorty over neighbors
    
    They didn’t start that way. They built that capability out of very real necessity, coming many times pretty close to annihilation.
    
    taking their land
    
    By internationally agreed decisions, and after winning wars, I suppose?
    
    and having extremely close ties with modernized western countries
    
    Yes, that’s a good idea. Every country should do that.
    
    How exactly is Isreal not religious (state religion is Judaism)
    
    State religion is perhaps an alien concept for Americans (which I guesstimate you are), but it’s a pretty normal thing in Europe. It doesn’t say much about religiousity, although clearly Israel has more crazy in that department than Europe, but also quite a lot less than typical muslim countries.
    
    As for Israel, the largest religious group (33% in 2016) is “Judaism/Hiloni”, which is essentially a secularist/nonobserving version of Judaism. The actual number of secularists might be even actually higher.
    
    How is it not terroristic (you kill one of their citizens they kill 10 of your citizens and take your land)?
    
    Terrorism isn’t defined by numbers. It’s defined by tactics and intentions.
    
    How is it not fascist when Gaza is literally a concentration camp for 2 million people?
    
    It’s not literally a concentration camp for 2 million people. You need to look up concentration camps.
    
    I wonder if the fact they aren’t muslim or as brown makes them better to you?
    
    Color has nothing do with it. Islamistic terrorism is a significant enemy of the civilized west, however. That indeed does make them better for me.
    
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    SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    State religion is perhaps an alien concept for Americans (which I guesstimate you are), but it’s a pretty normal thing in Europe.
    
    Of the Union’s 27 states, only three have an official state religion, these being Denmark (Church of Denmark), Greece (Church of Greece), and Malta (Catholic Church).
    
    Out of 27 countries, only three have official religions and they’re pretty small. Don’t talk shit out of your ass maybe?
    
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cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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- ChairmanMeow@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The PA has power in the west bank, but not in Gaza (where Hamas is in charge). They’re not a very effective government, but they don’t seem to have genocidal intent either.
  
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