What do you think about Hamas? Why do they exist and what is their actual agenda? Is it really at the very top simply helmed by limousine-riders in Quatar?
What do you think about Hamas? Why do they exist and what is their actual agenda? Is it really at the very top simply helmed by limousine-riders in Quatar?
Whoresradish@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Hamas is as bad as Isreal, but they are Isreal’s own creation. Most Palestinians don’t support Hamas just like most Isrealis don’t support their own government. It is two governments trying to commit genocide on the others civilians. Their are no good guys here. Just thousands of innocent civilians being massacred on both sides. The main difference is the US has decided to give one of these governments committing genocide the most advanced weapons available and practically no governments are even trying to help the Palestinians anymore. Not to mention hamas is commiting genocide to take back land the palestinians had a 100 years ago while the isrealis are commiting genocide to take back land they had 2000 years ago while pretending the palestians never even existed and spouting off racist revisionist history.
GoldenAxeDwarf@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Except Israel is a country that wants to live in peace and Hamas has IT IN THEIR FUCKING CHARTER that they want to kill all Jews.
And when Hamas actually acts on their charter, the whole world goes shocked-Pikachu-face and condemns Israel for slwf defense and not wanting to die.
HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl 7 months ago
No. Hamas’ charter was written at a time when Israel was committing atrocities in Palestine. Noam Chomsky explains this pretty well. The original charter is basically irrevelent and has basically been disavowed by Hamas.
fosforus@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The current charter says they would accept the 1969 borders.
endhits@lemmy.world 7 months ago
“living in peace” is not invading someone’s land, taking their homes, slaughtering them, and putting them in a concentration camp for decades while killing kids when they retaliate.
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Have you read it? It doesn’t say that.
dx1@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yeah, Hamas isn’t as bad as Israel, it’s literally a resistance movement to the people that ethnically cleansed their population from their land and kept them in a concentration camp for two decades. The unbalanced condemnation tbph is the result of a concerted Israeli/Western propaganda campaign to obscure the context and nature of the attacks, including the hundreds of Palestinian people killed in 2023 before Oct. 7, and more fundamentally, the fact that Israel has been keeping 2.4M people in a high-tech concentration camp for the last two decades.
The atrocity claims against Hamas from Oct. 7 have some serious evidentiary issues at this point, even including some unknown number of the civilian deaths being attributable to the IDF (literally firing at, shelling and bombing Israeli citizens - though to be clear, there is video of Hamas shooting civilians as well).
OniiFam@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
Lmao
fosforus@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Hamas shouldn’t be even compared to Israel. One is a fucked up religious/fascist terrorist organization, the other one is one of the happiest and modern western countries in the world.
Whoresradish@lemmy.world 7 months ago
How is Isreal not also a “fucked up religious/fascist terrorist organization”?
You describe Isreal as happy and modern as some kind of defense, but having overwhelming military superiorty over neighbors, taking their land, and having extremely close ties with modernized western countries would cause that.
How exactly is Isreal not religious (state religion is Judaism). How is it not terroristic (you kill one of their citizens they kill 10 of your citizens and take your land)? How is it not fascist when Gaza is literally a concentration camp for 2 million people? Two wrongs don’t make a right, and having bigger guns certainly doesn’t make them righteous.
I wonder if the fact they aren’t muslim or as brown makes them better to you?
fosforus@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
They didn’t start that way. They built that capability out of very real necessity, coming many times pretty close to annihilation.
By internationally agreed decisions, and after winning wars, I suppose?
Yes, that’s a good idea. Every country should do that.
State religion is perhaps an alien concept for Americans (which I guesstimate you are), but it’s a pretty normal thing in Europe. It doesn’t say much about religiousity, although clearly Israel has more crazy in that department than Europe, but also quite a lot less than typical muslim countries.
As for Israel, the largest religious group (33% in 2016) is “Judaism/Hiloni”, which is essentially a secularist/nonobserving version of Judaism. The actual number of secularists might be even actually higher.
Terrorism isn’t defined by numbers. It’s defined by tactics and intentions.
It’s not literally a concentration camp for 2 million people. You need to look up concentration camps.
Color has nothing do with it. Islamistic terrorism is a significant enemy of the civilized west, however. That indeed does make them better for me.
cheese_greater@lemmy.world 7 months ago
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 7 months ago
The PA has power in the west bank, but not in Gaza (where Hamas is in charge). They’re not a very effective government, but they don’t seem to have genocidal intent either.