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bamboo@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I’m not necessarily in favor of “guaranteed amplification”, as you put it. Anyone is free to yell whatever ideas they have on a street corner. Barring some specific exceptions, that is free speech. I understand why a for-profit company might not want to amplify any means everything someone decides to spew out. We’ve designed an un-free capitalist system though where some people do have guaranteed amplifiers, and others do not. That’s the problem I’m more interested in solving. It’s not forcing any one company to be forced to amplify any specific idea, but rather to make sure that centralized authorities, be they governments, social media companies, etc can’t in unison stamp out those ideas. I think decentralized platforms like this are somewhat key to that goal, even with individual instances having full moderation and federation control.

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Dkarma@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
“designed an un-free capitalist system though where some people do have guaranteed amplifiers, and others do not.”

This is simply bullshit. Facebook has the same rules for everybody.

I don’t get why people like you don’t seem to understand that if you use someone else’s system that has rules you have to follow those rules.

No you don’t have free speech on fb. No it is not the same thing as “yelling on a corner”.

You people have made up a concept of what you think free speech is that isn’t reflected in reality in any way.

No one owes you an unfettered voice on any platform.

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partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I’m not necessarily in favor of “guaranteed amplification”, as you put it.

…and…

We’ve designed an un-free capitalist system though where some people do have guaranteed amplifiers, and others do not. That’s the problem I’m more interested in solving.

Those two statements of yours seem in opposition to one another. In your second statement you’re calling out that some people have guaranteed amplifiers while others don’t and say thats a problem. However your first statement says you’re not in favor of guaranteed amplifiers for everyone.

The only logical third outcome I can make out that would make those two statement NOT contradictory is if you don’t want guaranteed amplifiers for ANYONE, but I don’t think you’re saying that.

Can you clarify who you believe should have guaranteed amplifiers?

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- bamboo@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I’m not looking for guaranteed amplifiers. I’m looking for an outcome where anyone can find an amplifier if that’s what they want. No party should be required to amplify anyone else. It’s possible in this situation that someone could fail to find an amplifier, but I’d like to minimize that by just having many platforms with different incentives such that it is unlikely that they would all align against any one persons message.
  
  The fediverse is built on this concept. Every instance can moderate their own users and communities, and choose which other instances to federate with. It’s unlikely that a specific user would be unable to find an instance that accommodates them, even if larger instances won’t. This contrasts with traditional social media where there is a sole for-profit entity that controls the entire network, able to completely remove people and ideas they don’t want.
  
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  - partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    I’m looking for an outcome where anyone can find an amplifier if that’s what they want.
    
    How is that not a guaranteed amplifier?
    
    but I’d like to minimize that by just having many platforms with different incentives such that it is unlikely that they would all align against any one persons message.
    
    So if a person’s message is something clearly abhorrent like “white supremacy” advocating violence against other races, you’re hopeful there is a platform that person can amplify their voice with their ideas to the general public?
    
    It’s unlikely that a specific user would be unable to find an instance that accommodates them, even if larger instances won’t.
    
    My guess is that as the user increases the level of their bigotry, if the instance still allows is, that instance will be de-federated by nearly everyone. So they have their own echo chamber at that point. How is this different than what groups like that have done for decades prior to the internet with a private newsletter mailed out? This is essentially the situation we have at present.
    
    What are you advocating that would change this?
    
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scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If you want to talk about corporate ownership of media, and how corporate media platforms are so powerful that they become the only thing that matters, there’s plenty to rail against there. It just doesn’t have anything to do with free speech. Here we are discussing how important it is not to let institutions squash ideas. Again, totally not even in the offing. The reality is that social media simply wants to moderate nazi hatred, while conservatives cry “free speech!”

There’s plenty of free media out there, including this platform we’re talking on. There’s no freedom of speech issue here.

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