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Comment on John Howard says he ‘always had trouble’ with the concept of multiculturalism

European here. Your definition of multiculturalism is precisely why integration has been difficult for many of our immigrants.

A society that has no requirements on its new citizens, welcoming them all in an enlightened spirit of tolerance, is ultimately self defeating. New arrivals have no reason to assimilate, since they get everything they need anyway, and instead they live just like they used to. This forms subcultures and does not foster allegiance to overall society.

At the same time, the lack of cultural assimilation and applicable education denies them opportunities to economically advance themselves, reinforcing the subculture effect and alienating the native population.

Now I’m not saying everyone must live in monoculture with the exact same set of beliefs and values, but they must at least value certain common rules, more than their religion or cultural upbringing. Otherwise Society fractures.

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surreptitiouswalk@aussie.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I disagree. A society is more than culture. It’s politics, law and economics, which are the pieces that actually run a society. I would never suggest migrants should ever import politics, economics and laws from their home country.

Culture and religion however, are personal things. There’s no need to force those on anyone. If a society feels the need to do this, it has a tolerance problem and they ought to ask themselves, why does someone praying to a different god, speaking a different language or celebrating a foreign event threaten you?

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- muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  A nation is defined by its couture without culture a nation is nothing more than a random assembly of people. With no common goals or interests a nation is goes nowhere.
  
  If someone is to become part of a nation they must adopt that nations core cultural beliefs above there own even their religion because obviously we have never seen any civil wars based on religion being held above others and thank god we don’t have at least one of those going on right now in the world.
  
  I would argue that one of these fundamental Australian beliefs is that anyone are free to go believe in whatever fucking god u want but for many people their core religious belief is that their own religion is the only one and it must be spread by any means possible insert quote from Quran and Bible here. That belief must be given up and put below that of the nation else we have a religious genocide on our hands.
  
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fine_sandy_bottom@aussie.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’ve never been to Europe, and I’m not familiar with the difficulties you’re having there.

I will say though, you and I have different ideas about the way multiculturalism and immigration ought to work.

New arrivals have no reason to assimilate, since they get everything they need anyway, and instead they live just like they used to. This forms subcultures and does not foster allegiance to overall society.

This sounds a little creepy TBH. What do you mean “since they get everything they need anyway” ? Should the things they need be measured out according to some kind of social credit?

Why is assimilation and integration so important?

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muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I feel there is a lot of trying to “fix” differences rather than expanding commonality. As you said ultimately every culture needs some semblance of a common goal to work towards together. I mean this is why I think citizenship should be a vote based system its easy to study for a test it takes real integration to get a vote from a citizen (especially if u only give each citizen n votes per time period)

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