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Baahb@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

“if you’re unwilling to admit that X is biased in favor ofY you have taken a position.”

I mean yeah, but when everything is biased, and it sure as shit is, then you kinda have to take the good with the bad.

Everything you just said applies just as well as “if you are unwilling to admit that US media sources in general are biased in favor of Israel you have taken a position.”

It’s honestly odd to me that you think that the media consumed having a bias automatically means you agree with that bias.

additionally, it’d be odd if the govt owned media that reports to a government who wants to do what it can to help extremely disaffected minorities in nation-states where they are viciously oppressed. The fact that Hamas may be at fault doesn’t really figure in. Are they terrorists? Yeah kinda. Are there viable options that aren’t violence for them? Not really? Is that more than partially their fault? Sure.

Buuut does it matter to the US when our effectively state owned media decides to call the leader of a nation a dictator until he agrees to an oil deal with the US at which point he becomes a legitimate head of state?

GtfO with your oversimplification and demagoguery

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Hyperreality@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Do you think Hamas had no choice but to murder members of Fatah, seize control in the Gaza strip, and undermine Palestinian unity?

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- Baahb@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Only as hopelessly out of my depth as you are. Difference is I’m openly staying the fact and you are merely pretending.
  
  You think Palestinian unity was gonna fix the problems with Israel? Funny.
  
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  - Hyperreality@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You should probably read these articles:
    
    Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise. At the time, Israel's main enemy was the late Yasser Arafat's Fatah party, which formed the heart of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). Fatah was secular and cast in the mold of other revolutionary, leftist guerrilla movements waging insurgencies elsewhere in the world during the Cold War. ... The Israelis saw [the Muslim Brotherhood's] adherents in the Palestinian territories, including the wheelchair-bound Sheik Ahmed Yassin, as a useful counterweight to Arafat's PLO. ... "When I look back at the chain of events I think we made a mistake," one Israeli official who had worked in Gaza in the 1980s said in a 2009 interview with the Wall Street Journal's Andrew Higgins. "But at the time nobody thought about the possible results."
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/
    
    “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.
    
    https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
    
    You think Palestinian unity was gonna fix the problems with Israel?
    
    Divide and conquer.
    
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