Comment on Learned from Kira
Melkath@kbin.social 1 year ago
Simple math.
Intolerance(-) of intolerance(-) is(=) tolerance(+).
Tolerance(+) of intolerance(-) is(=) intolerance(+).
Tolerance(+) of tolerance(+) is(=) tolerance(+).
Also called The Paradox of Tolerance, as explained by Karl Popper (one of my favorite philosophers).
Although, as you showed, there are several ways to illustrate that it’s not really a paradox. My favorite is to consider that tolerance is a social contract entered into by every participant; those who are intolerant are breaching that contact and are therefore not protected by it.
The “tolerance paradox” is a handy tool with which to justify violence by those on both sides. If I’m just fighting intolerance, then my actions are justified. It’s a common rally cry used by authoritarians to stamp out diversity and democracy. To really hammer the point home, the Nazis were the first to employ it. By blaming their issues on the “intolerance” of foreign states, they justified a global war. It is obviously the inspiration for Popper’s 1945 work, The Open Society and Its Enemies. Russia is currently using this fallacy to justify the war in Ukraine, claiming that the West is “intolerant” of Russia, and they need to defend themselves against this intolerance.
Here is a full quote from Popper on the subject if anyone is interested.
I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise
But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.
Popper’s argument is laid bare here. Tolerate up to the point of violence. That is, if one physically attacks us, we no longer have the burden of tolerance. Popper is commonly misquoted and intentionally misused to justify violence against disagreement, and that is clearly not his argument.
Nope. Don’t care. If you’re a Nazi then I’m going to punch you. People who call for the death of others do not deserve kindness. They deserve the violence they so heavily crave to give others. There is zero justification you can use to allow people like that to exist in society when they actively try to destroy people within it for their own twisted goals and purposes.
The Nazis are the ones using violence to shut down dissent. It sounds like you support Nazism. Popper argues you are the one we should not tolerate.
I thought I made it quite clear but I will simplify it further for you: the tolerance paradox is misused to justify violence against people with whom the aggressor disagrees. It should not be used that way as it was never intended to be used that way. The top level comment is a classic example of not understanding what Popper wrote.
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CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 1 year ago
I love this community so much.
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And I love you, buddy <3
Gabu@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That time Spock heard about Daft Punk.