Trump actually did a lot of what he said he’d do. He was incredibly effective. This isn’t praise for him. I’m just saying, MAGA mostly agrees with you, but see an archon of action in Trump.
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tallwookie@lemm.ee 11 months ago
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PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 11 months ago
sturmblast@lemmy.world 11 months ago
he didn’t really get a lot done
sj_zero 11 months ago
That's actually not how most maga people feel as far as I can tell. Trump's Twitter feed and candidacy compared to Trump's government were quite different. As president he did maybe too good of a job keeping his hands off of things. Considering the massive riots during a good chunk of his presidency, many conservatives including maga conservatives wanted him to be a little bit more like the fascist that the left pretends he was instead of the 90s Democrat he actually was.
There's actually quite a bit of criticism of trump from his supporters. He passed terrible budgets, he didn't pardon Assange or Snowden or the j6 protesters, he put swamp monsters like John Bolton into positions of power when they should have been put into positions of prison cells or at least unemployment lines, he went along with covid mandates, and project warp speed that resulted in the untested experimental vaccines being mandated to countless people around the world was his idea.
People talk about the supreme Court, but that's turtle man McConnell's crowning achievement, not Trump's.
Shanedino@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You are acting like the vaccines were a bad thing. Also, especially if you think of the first wave of vaccines that went to at risk groups as field trials, they were very much tested. The fact that trump didn’t support the vaccines publicly and push his constituents at the very least to use them is a large mark against him.
sj_zero 11 months ago
Do you think that if you put 9 women who arent pregnant together then you can make a baby in 1 months, and if you put 275 women who aren't pregnant together that you can make a baby in a day?
I would say you can't do that, it takes 9 months to make a baby even if you put 1000 women who aren't pregnant on the job.
The same way, you can't do long-term testing without a long term. That's one of the reasons why when Trump originally started project warp speed everyone told him that it was absolutely impossible to create a vaccine in that period of time, because you still needed to test it. And they didn't, not in the long term.
Now I took the untested experimental vaccine before it was mandated that I shall take it or else lose my job. I took it because I feel like it was the right thing to do, but unlike the establishment that lied to everyone by claiming they knew everything about the long-term effectiveness and safety of the drugs, I went into it understanding it was ultimately a gamble. It was a gamble that I won on the safety front, I'm just fine. But it was a gamble I lost on the effectiveness front, I ended up getting covid anyway not long after I and 85% of people in my country took the vaccine.
Trump was never against the vaccines and always advocated that his supporters take them. Of course he wasn't against them, it was one of his achievements as president. Whatever you think of the vaccines, if it wasn't for his policy initiative project warp speed they never would have been developed as quickly as they were. He openly told people to get vaccinated. The problem is that most people don't actually know anything about Donald trump, they only know what the latest rage bait article says. It's really sad watching people who claim to be free thinkers just doing whatever they're told by the Teevee.
random65837@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Your impressive amount of down votes show how fucking stupid people truly are, they’re literally like kids that dont know the difference between TV and real life. “But they said…”
Unreal. Makes no difference what side you’re on, they’re all politicians.
FooBarrington@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Maybe, but this goes much further. This is a president of the United States literally declaring himself not to be duty-bound to the constitution, the one document that limits their power.
FiskFisk33@startrek.website 11 months ago
Lord Varys : Power is a curious thing, my lord. Are you fond of riddles?
Tyrion Lannister : Why? Am I about to hear one?
Lord Varys : Three great men sit in a room: a king, a priest, and a rich man. Between them stands a common sellsword. Each great man bids the sellsword kill the other two. Who lives, who dies?
Tyrion Lannister : Depends on the sellsword.
Lord Varys : Does it? He has neither crown, nor gold, nor favor with the gods.
Tyrion Lannister : He has a sword, the power of life and death.
Lord Varys : But if it’s swordsmen who rule, why do we pretend kings hold all the power? When Ned Stark lost his head, who was truly responsible? Joffrey? The executioner? Or something else?
Tyrion Lannister : I’ve decided I don’t like riddles.
[pause]
Lord Varys : Power resides where men believe it resides. It’s a trick. A shadow on the wall. And a very small man can cast a very large shadow.
reddit_sux@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I love game of thrones because of this but hate it bcoz of grr
FiskFisk33@startrek.website 11 months ago
yeah, these exchanges were some of the absolute highlights
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Isn’t it the document that gives them their power?
FooBarrington@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That is a meaningless distinction in this case, unless you think that it somehow means he doesn’t have any power.
sj_zero 11 months ago
Sorta but not really.
It should be, but pieces of paper are just dead trees with some dark colored stuff on them.
I mean, if it were actually the case that the constitution is what grants the government its power, then the government would have to follow the constitution, and it doesn't really -- at all.
I don't recall the part of the constitution that lets them regulate education, or to provide healthcare or social security, to fund Food and agriculture, science, housing, to fund building the civilian Internet, to regulate many of the things it regulates, to fund building an interstate highway system, and so on. There's some very specific phrases in the constitution that have been abused to hell and back to justify it, but none of that was ever what the federal government in the united states was supposed to do according to the founders.
The whole point of the united states was supposed to be more like the EU, and for most of history it was. Starting with Abraham Lincoln's dictatorial reign (sometimes dictators do good obviously in this case) presidents took a more active role in governing the country. World War 2 and the great depression had a further massive impact on increasing the role of the federal government in governing the country, and when the supreme court was about to step in because the new laws weren't legal, FDR threatened to pack the supreme court, so they accepted novel and ridiculous interpretations of the constitution.
If the founders intended to let congress create whatever laws they wanted, they wouldn't have specifically described the copyright and patent systems and the post office in the constitution. If Federal powers didn't need to be described in the constitution, then the federal government wouldn't have needed to pass a constitutional amendment to make alcohol illegal federally, and then later passed another amendment to take away that power.
The 10th amendment specifically lays out that powers not enumerated to the federal government don't get to stay with the federal government, but go to the states, and barring that to the people. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." -- And the 9th also says that people's rights are much broader than just the rights enumerated in the constitution: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Two of the most major debates of the moment, regulating the Internet, and gun control, are explicitly disallowed by the constitution, but instead of proposing a constitutional amendment, they're going to just do it anyway, and they do it anyway. That's the reality of how the federal government works today, they completely disregard the document that supposedly gives them their power.
So at the end of the day the political establishment has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that the constitution is just a piece of paper, and it will be disregarded the moment that it is expedient to do so.
Shanedino@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Here is a fun fact States are not required to follow federal education guidelines. States get some funding if they do. So hopefully as Texas continues to destroy their school system, they will lose funding and turn into an even more uneducated population.
random65837@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Did he? Because that’s not what the article said. Where did he declare himself not duty bound by the constitution, aside from it being his layers words and not his, thats not even the nitpick being made. Did you actually read it?
FooBarrington@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Are you seriously trying to argue “it was just his lawyers arguing this point, he didn’t say it himself”?
random65837@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m not “arguing” anything. Thats what the linked article says.
danl@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s not what he’s saying, and I’m not a Trumpet but the article’s pretty clear: Trump’s argument is that he swore to “preserve, protect and defend” but that elsewhere the constitution defines officers as people who swear to “support” so he’s not an “officer”.
It’s stupid and nitpicky but not as clickbaity as the headline.