As long as Google illegally tracks my online movement and scrapes my data, I can do whatever the fuck I want to them.
They are the ones in the wrong.
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drahardja@lemmy.world 8 months agoIf you feel strongly that Google is a data-gathering evil so great that they deserve not a sliver of your money or attention, then stop using YouTube.
Sorry, but you can’t make a moral argument for your position. What you want is to benefit from Google’s services without paying them. That’s it. That’s the whole argument. It doesn’t really matter if you like them or not, really. You’re arguing that you should get free service.
That is not a morally sustainable argument.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
elbarto777@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Het, look at you so high in your horse!
Morals are subjective anyway.
So you can’t say “you can’t make a morsl argument.”
Of course OP can!
Here’s another example: before the era of music streaming, downloading pirated mp3s was the norm. The music industry is notoriously explotative of artists, so, you may build a case about how immoral it is to download a pirated mp3, while I can build a case that I’m morally obligated not to give the music industry money since very little goes to the artist. I’d rather buy their merch or go to their concerts.
Then the music industry sued regular people for thousands of dollars per downloaded song just to make an example of them. Well fuck that. From that moment on, I swore to never buy music from the RIAA again, because what they were doing was immoral.
I can’t escape Google’s ecosystem even if I tried my best. They’re constantly following me around even if I tell them “no, don’t do that, leave me alone.” So, fuck them. I’ll play dirty too. I’m morally obligated to do so.
drahardja@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Morals are subjective anyway.
They may be subjective, but they exist as a concept and can be discussed. Morals describe the value system from which you make decisions and build consensus. Pretending they don’t matter is nihilistic and self-serving.
Let me frame this issue a different way: when Google doesn’t make money from showing you ads, or getting money from your subscriptions, they don’t pay the creators for your views. Are you arguing this is also OK? Will you promise to support each creator directly instead? Or are you only interested in getting entertainment for free?
While the RIAA does continue to exploit artists, it’s now possible to support many artists directly by buying their albums online, buying merchandise, and attending their concerts. Do you do any of that, or are you simply pirating music for your consumption?
CustodialTeapot@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Let me frame this another way.
Google is monopolistic and kills any other creator from competing. Thus preventing consumer choice.
Google is already one of the biggest companies in the world. I’ve never given them a penny in my 2 decades of service use. Yet the line goes up.
They exist because of us the consumer.
They also don’t pay, let alone treat, their creators fairly. Although they are 99% the reason they exist.
Yet Google wants more because line must go up.
There are other services I pay for such as nebula, float plane, patron specifics. But not all creators can sustain that. And I doubt it I pay for YouTube that will change. Because spoiler alert. YouTube don’t pay well. It’s sponsors and merch that keep creators alive.
mayo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I probably will do that tbh. Youtube is like reddit to me - I’m addicted and I’d take the opportunity to quit.
Someone breaks into your house and steals something from you. This person is also selling bananas at the supermarket. Am I morally required to pay for those bananas when I shop at that store?
Your argument makes the most sense to me only if it’s limited to basic exchange of goods, but Google doesn’t exist in a vacuum and mega-corporations should be everyone’s your shit list.
DessertStorms@kbin.social 8 months ago
Imagine criticising the morals of the end user (a paying one, at that), but not of the multi billion dollar company holding them hostage (and exploiting their employees, and avoiding tax, and deliberately enshitifying their services out of pure greed, and so on and on and on)...
Is boot really that flavoursome, or are you just a clueless clown doing the bidding for the evil overlords for no good reason at all?
Either way, it's a pretty pathetic look..
TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I’m arguing I’m already paying…
Additionally, google has to right to how the website they serve me is displayed in my browser on my computer. If they send me the video stream despite me not looking at their ads, that’s on them. What happens in my browser on my machine should not be Google’s business.