Comment on World EV Sales Now Equal 18% Of World Auto Sales

Lugh@futurology.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It will change when electric cars cost the same as a regular car. The cheapest EV in France is 3 times more expensive than my car. I can’t afford it.

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  • FunderPants@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I know my Chevy Bolt had a higher sticker price than other subcompacts but the TCO is way lower than anything else on the market thanks to way lower maintenance and operating costs.

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    • wtfeweguys@lemmy.whynotdrs.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not to mention the $7500 tax credit and if you’re in CA there’s also a tax rebate (they send you a check).

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  • Pxtl@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “I’m only going to help save the world if it does not inconvenience or cost me anything whatsoever at all” is not the brilliant take you think it is.

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  • marsokod@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Je suis curieux, tu parles de quelles voitures là ?

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    • glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The cheapest Dacia or Skoda (according to the internet) costs 20 000 €. My car cost 7000 €. I don’t care about TCO if I can’t afford it to begin with.

      It gives me 13 000 € of fuel for free, which is more than 10 years, the lifespan of the car.

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      • marsokod@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The cheapest ICE Dacia is 12000€. I suspect you are comparing a new car price vs a used car price, which is quite unfair.

        You can get a used Dacia or a used Zoe for a bit under 10000€, which has probably less km than your car (see this one zoomcar.fr/dacia-spring-business-2020-33479218.ht…, or the numerous Zoe). Now granted these are not great cars: but it is hard to compare a 5-10 year-old ICE with an electric, simply because the electric used market is still small as these cars are new.

        Now you raise a valid point on the chargers. But this is coming and that’s why no one (almost no one, I’m sure there are lunatics somewhere) wants to ban ICE right away. You ban new ones in 7 years, and this means that in 17 years a good majority of the cars will be electric. Chargers are quite quick to install, especially low power ones. There are many companies focusing on street light charging and as the number of electric cars grow, public chargers will become more available with a denser network. It’s really a chicken and egg problem - they won’t install massive amounts of chargers for them to stay unused.

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• Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Based on this data, 48.6% of oil was used on the read. If we assume that about every other car becomes electric, that could cut the total oil demand by about 24%. That’s actually quite significant, but obviously it will happen so gradually that the oil industry should have enough time to adjust.

  Eventually most cars will be electric, but even that won’t destroy the entire oil industry, because there are still many other uses for oil. It takes a while for various other industries to shift away from burning oil and gas, but when that happens the oil industry will be totally screwed.

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  • GeekyNerdyNerd@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It takes a while for various other industries to shift away from burning oil and gas, but when that happens the oil industry will be totally screwed.

    I’m not so sure that they’d be necessarily screwed even then, I think it will depend upon what direction plastic demand and plastic production goes in. The majority of plastics still need to be made from petrochemicals, and the majority of plastics have to be virgin simply due to the inherent limitations on their recyclability.

    Sure, the industry won’t be as large as today but unless we see bioplastics completely replace petrochemical plastics or simply see plastics completely abandoned (that’ll never happen, plastics are simply too useful to ditch entirely.) It will still exist in some form simply because it will be necessary for plastic production.

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    • Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The oil industry isn’t about to go anywhere, that’s for sure. It’s just that within the next 100 years, it will probably shrink to a tiny fraction of what it is today.

      Now that plastic bags or straws have been banned in certain parts of the world, the future of plastic is beginning to look slightly more uncertain than it used to, but I wouldn’t be too worried just yet. Microplastics are also lookin pretty concerning, so maybe in the very long run we’ll start addressing that as well. All of this might reduce the demand for plastic in general, but I don’t think that’s going to have a major impact any time soon. As you pointed out, plastics are too versatile to ditch entirely.

      Maybe we’ll start using more bioplastics, but petrochemical based plastics will be used in many places regardless. At the moment, plastics are used pretty much everywhere, even when it clearly isn’t the most optimal solution. I think that this situation will begin to gradually change as the production and use of alternatives become economically attractive.

      For instance, a plastic wrapping around a salad doesn’t need to last thousands of years. As long as it protects the salad all the way from the farm to my kitchen, It’s good enough. This sort of optimization will probably reduce the demand for plastic, but it will probably never go down to zero. There are lots of applications such as chemical bottles where long term durability is far more important.

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• June@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The shitty thing is that as it puts the pressure on big oil, prices will rise and hurt poor people the hardest. We’re already being squeezed by the cost of gas, and when demand gets low the price will continue to go up until poor people are forced to choose between gas and food or an EV and food.

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  • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why will oil be able to raise the prices? Seems like with less demand it’d be cheaper.

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    • June@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s what you’d think. But they’re capitalists and will squeeze every penny they can to their dying breath.

      Supply and demand is largely a myth, especially in markets like oil where it’s practically a monopoly.

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      • Nefrayu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Is not a monopoly though, yes there are cartels but it’s not a monopoly. The less demand there is for oil the less power OPEC has to manipulate prices. They will be left scrambling to supply there remaining demand. Silly and demand isn’t a myth, OPEC simply manipulate supply to influence the price.

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      • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Supply and demand is largely a myth

        Lmao

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    • GeekyNerdyNerd@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Same reason why oil prices keep going up even as demand drops, the price of oil is largely determined by OPEC+ and they will cut production until prices rise to where they want them, and the more they have to cut production the higher the prices have to be to offset their fixed costs.

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  • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Lack of demand does not raise prices on fuel - quite the opposite.

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