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• franklin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is just the both sides of the same argument with different dressing.

  It’s as false here as it is there. So you’re going to tell me someone like fairphone is as unethical as Apple or Samsung?

  Yes of course they work with two completely different yields but that’s really the point The only way you can get to that yield is to be unethical so choose smaller brands choose ones that make decisions you agree with and help them grow.

  There is no completely ethical capitalism but there definitely are choices that get us from worst to better.

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  • June@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So you’re going to tell me a company like fairphone is as unethical as Apple or Samsung?

    Absolutely. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism and even fair phone is profit driven. Even NPOs are profit driven. No one works for a loss in western society. No one. So literally every company will do everything it does for the sake of profitability. Even fairphone.

    You have to realize that fairphone’s whole model is a marketing gimmick. Does it happen to align with some good values? Sure, but it’s still a gimmick to separate you from your money at the end of the day.

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    • franklin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is just false. Fairphone had audits that prove it’s an improvement in both sustainability and worker conditions.

      Of course consumerism always negatively impacts the environment but to make it all equivalent is to forsake all nuance. It’s not at all to the same magnitude.

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      • June@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Fairphone had audits that prove it’s an improvement in both sustainability and worker conditions.

        key word there is ‘improvement’. it’s still a for profit company and they will ultimately make whatever decisions are in the best interest of the company to make a profit.

        they are undoubtedly better, but their baseline is still the same, to make money.

        there is no nuance, at all, to the fact that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. it’s pretty black and white. there are ways to be less unethical (e.g., fairphone), but not to be ethical.

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• mriormro@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The size, profits, and overall global reach of a company heavily impacts how that company further impacts the world. Do you honestly think that, I don’t know, American Girl dolls have had the same negative impact on the world as the East India Company?

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