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funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

Discrimination, without context, is necessary in nearly every situation. I must discriminate between bleach and water if I am to live, I must discriminate between walking into fast traffic and when it is safe to cross the road etc…

On a softer level, I discriminate between who I call my wife, and who I don’t, which of my friends is named David and which is named Alex…

And then if I’m employing people I can’t give everyone a job, I have to discriminate to a single person per job.

So, with the taken that to do anything some level of common sense discrimination is needed. However, humans cannot be relied upon to not take discrimination to an unfair place, and people must be forced to discriminate. People also lie, and will straight up tell you to your face they do not discriminate against women from the moment they enter the workforce to their dying day, and yet will, in private, discriminate against women so hard even if it were to destroy everything they hold dear. The only way to prevent that is to force people to discriminate.

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DSTGU@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Discrimination != Choice

There are moments in life where you gotta choose something. There is no discrimination if you choose objectively. You choose water over bleach because there are objective reasons why one over the other will be better for you. You choose waiting for a green light over running onto a driving car because that is less likely to get you killed. If you cant give everyone a job you have to choose someone. If you choose purely based on qualities describing who will fit the position best like experience and knowledge that wont be a discrimination. There is no such thing as a fair discrimination

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- funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I know that, of course, I was using my initial points to set a frame of reference that the word “discrimination!” is a thought-terminating cliche.
  
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  - dangblingus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    This comment thread is a completely bad faith framing of the issue. Creating safe spaces for women in tech isn’t discrimination. It’s elevating a traditionally underrepresented demographic. Lemme guess, you guys talk a lot about divorce court right?
    
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    funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I think you’ve misinterpreted me. I’m saying that it’s not discrimination to force people to stop discriminating in favor of white men.
    
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    afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    600 dollars for a ticket to a conference is creating a safe space for women?
    
    I don’t know the last time I talked about divorce court. Maybe we should be using facts instead of guesses.
    
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afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
People can’t be trusted to hire correctly but they can be trusted to do a their job correctly? Say I was interviewing another engineer, you would argue that I can’t be trusted to do this task, but you presumably accept I can be trusted to do all other tasks associated with my job. Strange how I lose all ability to reason correctly the moment I walk into the conference room and regain it the moment I leave.

Hey if I stand in the door way will I be in a superposition state between bigoted and rational or will I be half of both at once or is it more like the Trinity? You know a mystery of the church…watch as the engineer is fully rational and fully irrational the two are separate but of same substrate.

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- MonkRome@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I don’t know how many hiring committees you’ve been on, but I’ve been on several over the years and one thing I know with absolute certainty is that most, if not all, people are completely incapable of being unbiased in the hiring process. There has to be checks and guideposts to lessen those biases or you end up with incredibly culturally homogenous situations that are in no way based on qualifications and have everything to do with culture fit. Which is usually just code for hiring people that don’t make them uncomfortable because they’re not used to being around people with brown skin or without a dick. I absolutely believe that people that are otherwise very capable in their jobs are often horrible at hiring. In fact I would go as far to say that hiring people based purely on what you need in a job role is massively more difficult than many people realize. Most job qualifications listed in the hiring process are usually not in line with the job requirements, but in line with who people want to weed out.
  
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  - afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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    MonkRome@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Did we sign some contract that obligates me to answer nonsensical questions?
    
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