Comment on Philosophy meme

PP_BOY_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• charliespider@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Came here to say this exact thing

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• Jay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I would have used a lot more words, but that’s exactly what I wanted to say.

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  • spacesweedkid27@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I sadly already made me 200w comment before reading the comments 🥲

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  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would have just said Patrick’s opinions are subjective not objective

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• balderdash9@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If you really think chattel slavery was morally acceptable for the slave owners just because there was a group consensus that the slaves were inferior… then I’m willing to let you go on thinking that

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  • hydroel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I feel like you’re intentionally missing your own point.

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  • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’re being downvoted because that was clearly bad faith. Slavery doesn’t have group consensus among all involved, not even all non-slaves.

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    • balderdash9@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The point is that slavery was seen as morally acceptable at some time and the moral relativist is forced to say that that means slavery was okay during that time. Most people here want to be moral relativists but they don’t want to accept its consequences.

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      • GCostanzaStepOnMe@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I think you don’t quite understand moral relativism.

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      • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I don’t think the slaves ever saw slavery as acceptable.

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    • poplargrove@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      OP worded it badly, but you should be arguing against what they probably mean, not a strawman. Consensus obviously cant mean every single person agreeing, its about what the widespread view in the culture is.

      So, how would you reply? Was slavery correct in the past because thats what the cultural view was? If a society is mysognist are they right?

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      • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        suppose slavery was condone by some culture. Wouldnt that have made it moral?

        By definition, yes.

        Southern whites in the pre Civil War period considered slavery to be a moral good.

        Other cultures disagreed, to the point that this particular culture was all but destroyed.

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  • PP_BOY_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How’s freshman Intro. to Philisophy treatin’ ya?

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• benni@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Honest question: if a person living in the west in the 21st century thinks they should have the right to take people of a different race as their own personal slaves, do you think there is no basis to call this person immoral? The best we can do is say that this person is incompatible with the time and place they are in?

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  • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We in the west have a basis to call this person immoral.

    The places where slavery is legal do not have that basis.

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    • HandBreadedTools@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ask the slaves that lol. That argument is moot because it relies on legitimizing the oppression committed by slavers by not seeing enslaved people as part of the population/group. Their history was not recorded the same way the slaver’s history was, yet they were still humans that thought about, talked about, and theorized about morality too. You don’t get to claim to know the group consensus of a past society just because slavers used oppression to erase the viewpoints of those who disagreed.

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      • i_ben_fine@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That’s a very good point. Moral relativism can be true and oppressors can still be bad.

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  • PP_BOY_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    a person living in the west in the 21st century

    This qualifier alone shows that “objective” moral truth is defined only by where/when you live. You’re also showing your own modern western bias here.

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