Comment on Men Overran a Job Fair for Women in Tech
sudneo@lemmy.world 1 year agoI am simply not convinced of this collective “we”. Sorry, but me random foreigner with no family support, no perfect language etc. Might have no advantage (or even be at disadvantage) with a woman who got shipped to ivy league.
Reducing all to just gender is simply a way to not solve the discrimination (generally, not a specific discrimination) while legitimizing those very same companies who sponsored the event by giving them some marketing flair.
I am personally conflicted, because I do think that women in tech face cultural discrimination, I just feel that this is not an instance of privileged people wanting to colonize and pollute a safe space for people who get discriminated. I think these kind of pieces are alienating for some people and generally hurt the class solidarity which - in my opinion - is a nonnegotiable requirement to get rid of all discrimination.
Lmaydev@programming.dev 1 year ago
This is all true and a totally different issue.
Again you’ll often hear privileged white people complaining about minorities getting any kind of advantage. And the same with wealthy people and the poor.
Most people don’t realise their privilege and feel betrayed by anyone getting an advantage over them.
sudneo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My point is that looking at this just as men showing up at a woman thing inherently fails to acknowledge the reality of the discrimination on the workplace, discarding specifically any debate on why that would be the case. In other words, looking at those as just “men” is a sign of the inability to look at discrimination more broadly, and in my opinion reflects really bad on the intention of people who are working towards the elimination of gender discrimination. From my leftist perspective I see these kind of events as a push to extend the struggle to other victims of the system, rather than as those people ruining your turf.
Lmaydev@programming.dev 1 year ago
So we shouldn’t help anyone because it doesn’t help others from different groups. That’s straight stupid.
sudneo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was going to answer, but then I realized that if this is what you chose to understand from my comment(s), probably that means you don’t want to have a conversation. I will save my time, if you don’t mind.
sky@codesink.io 1 year ago
It’s not an event for “all marginalized people” or “anyone who experiences discrimination” are you capable of reading
sudneo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I am, and in fact I have explicitly challenged this very same intention. I have explicitly mentioned that I feel is harmful to certain objectives not to extend the struggle to more oppressed categories, by using the power gathered (arguably expresses by having such large sponsors).
If you don’t feel like trying to understand my point and choose to just post edgy one-liners, there is no need to have the conversation at all. You can let me know, I will block you and I will spare some notifications to myself and some reading for yourself.
cricket97@lemmy.world 1 year ago
none of the “men” at these conferences were privileged.