Comment on Men Overran a Job Fair for Women in Tech

• sudneo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I am simply not convinced of this collective “we”. Sorry, but me random foreigner with no family support, no perfect language etc. Might have no advantage (or even be at disadvantage) with a woman who got shipped to ivy league.

  Reducing all to just gender is simply a way to not solve the discrimination (generally, not a specific discrimination) while legitimizing those very same companies who sponsored the event by giving them some marketing flair.

  I am personally conflicted, because I do think that women in tech face cultural discrimination, I just feel that this is not an instance of privileged people wanting to colonize and pollute a safe space for people who get discriminated. I think these kind of pieces are alienating for some people and generally hurt the class solidarity which - in my opinion - is a nonnegotiable requirement to get rid of all discrimination.

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  • Lmaydev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is all true and a totally different issue.

    Again you’ll often hear privileged white people complaining about minorities getting any kind of advantage. And the same with wealthy people and the poor.

    Most people don’t realise their privilege and feel betrayed by anyone getting an advantage over them.

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    • sudneo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My point is that looking at this just as men showing up at a woman thing inherently fails to acknowledge the reality of the discrimination on the workplace, discarding specifically any debate on why that would be the case. In other words, looking at those as just “men” is a sign of the inability to look at discrimination more broadly, and in my opinion reflects really bad on the intention of people who are working towards the elimination of gender discrimination. From my leftist perspective I see these kind of events as a push to extend the struggle to other victims of the system, rather than as those people ruining your turf.

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      • Lmaydev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So we shouldn’t help anyone because it doesn’t help others from different groups. That’s straight stupid.

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      • sky@codesink.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s not an event for “all marginalized people” or “anyone who experiences discrimination” are you capable of reading

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    • cricket97@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      none of the “men” at these conferences were privileged.

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• BorgDrone@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The tech industry is super sexist. We already have a huge advantage and are whining that women get a little one.

  In what way do men have an advantage over women? Women in IT for example are unicorns and if a company has to choose between an equally qualified woman and man for the same position they would 100% of the time choose the woman. No on in tech actually likes the current situation, we’d love there to be an equal male/female ratio.

  In reality, however, this situation does not exist. If we got 2 qualified applicants and one was a man and the other a woman we’d hire both (same if it was 2 men or 2 women). It’s hard enough to find personnel anyway, we’ll take everyone we can get, gender is not a factor at all.

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  • whatwhatwutyut@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If companies were actually taking in 2 applicants instead of 1 and that in need of employees, I doubt we’d be seeing so many people desperate enough to find employment that they flood a job fair not intended for them.

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    • BorgDrone@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The keyword is ‘qualified’. Lots of people looking for jobs with little to no skills or relevant education.

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      • whatwhatwutyut@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I doubt foreigners got here (likely on a work visa) with no skills or education. To get a work visa, don’t you have to have a job lined up? There’s there experience/skills. Myself and a lot of the class I graduated with in CS are getting hundreds of rejections despite having relevant education (and experience in many cases). With the hundreds of thousands laid off from tech in the last year there is absolutely not enough openings for everyone with skills and relevant education.

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• gmtom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Women already have a huge advantage. I also role where you get 70 qualified applicants for a role, you automatically take the 5 women that applied and put them on the short list. He’ll the hiring director at my current job striaght up told me the only reason I got the job was because the woman who initially got it pulled out for a better job and none of the other women who initially applied wanted it when they contacted them.

  Vast majority of tech works are women" “women are way more likely to hold high level tech jobs” “Men have to fight to to be taken seriously by tech bosses” also sound sexist but it’s literally true for men.

  And there are fields where women make up the majority of workers, but we don’t discriminate against them because of it. There are also jobs that are dangerous and shittily paid where the majority of workers are men, but we don’t give women an advantage there either.

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