ive seen that fo3 video, and its garbage. i think the response video is 10x better. hbomberguy has the most nitpicky “flaws” and acts like theyre game ruiners
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CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 8 months agoSkyrim, while praised, has always been critiqued for being as wide as an ocean and as deep as a puddle. And the diehard Morrowind fans have always had valid complaints with the game, even from day 1.
And Fallout 3… while yeah it was critically acclaimed, it also has had valid criticism regarding it from day 1. This isn’t something that’s just started happening recently.
You should check out hbomberguy’s video, “Fallout 3 is Garbage, And Here’s Why”. Despite the title it’s a crazily well put together video, and he perfectly articulated all of his points.
As for Oblivion, I’m not sure what you mean. Yes, people love it, but issues like with its balance have always been criticized. Even by critics.
BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 8 months ago
CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
No worries! I’m not forcing you to not like these games, like I still I love Skyrim despite it flaws. I’m just pointing out that people have had these opinions for quite some time, and that this isn’t “revisionist history”.
Hbomberguy’s videos really are top tier tho, it’s a shame you didn’t like it. Especially when that response video was… not very good.
BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 8 months ago
im sure people had their gripes but i never really saw it, at least nowhere near the scale its at now. for fallout 3 it was mostly just on the no mutants allowed forums which i believe hates every first person fallout game including the beloved new vegas. skyrim i especially never saw gripes for until people had been playing it for years, around the time fallout 4 came out i feel the negative aspects have been much more widespread. maybe its rose tinted goggles but people seem way more quick to point out the flaws of any game than having fun playing it
CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
people seem way more quick to point out the flaws of any game than having fun playing it
Yeah that’s true. I wish people could criticize things while also appreciating them.
Like, as I said, I have loads of problems with Skyrim. But I also love the game and have literally thousands of hours in it. You can love a game and still have problems with it, but I don’t think people understand that which is why you either get toxic negativity or toxic positivity with any release. Never a healthy middle ground.
As to your point about not seeing the gripes, my theory is that people had them but were much quieter since the games were so beloved. But as Bethesda’s reputation got worse they felt more confident speaking up. So there were always people that took issue with the games, but it wasn’t until recently that their opinions became so public.
Shurimal@kbin.social 8 months ago
I think most people who say Skyrim is shallow never dived below the surface (story/questlines, roleplay and combat mechanics), only fast travelling and rushing through questlines. Thing with Elder Scrolls is, all the games are shallow on the surface. But they all get bonkers if you have the patience to really observe the world (many of the stories are told via the environment), read the in-game books and seek out answers. For example, I don't think many people have given any thought to the Sleeping Tree near Whiterun and very few have an actual understanding of what it actually is. Without spoilers, Ysolda tells you the lead but dismisses it as a silly rumour. You'll find the answers in Infernal City and Lord of Souls.
CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Unfortunately I disagree. It’s embarrassing but I have around 3k hours in Skyrim, split between the original 360 version, the PC version, and the PC version of SE. I’ve done every single quest multiple times and know virtually everything about the game.
That being said, I’d still call it shallow. Most mechanics are only surface level and don’t actually affect much of anything at all outside of combat, if even that. Quests don’t have choices, and how you interact with the world and those within it have no bearing on anything at all. Skyrim is effectively an action sandbox, with any rpg system being shallow or nonexistent.
I love Skyrim to death, albeit mostly for its modding scene, but even I can admit that it’s not some super deep game.
Shurimal@kbin.social 8 months ago
Correct. That's exactly my point. Mechanics have never been the strong point in any of the Elder Scrolls games. But the worldbuilding is something else altogether, that's where all the depth is, and it doesn't stop going deeper and deeper.
CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I mean fair enough I guess, but when an rpg’s rpg mechanics are practically non existent it kind of hurts the experience. Even if the world building is stellar.
And I wouldn’t say mechanics have “never” been a strong point of these games. For all of Morrowind’s flaws, it had actual rpg elements. And that was along with some of the best world building the series has ever seen, before or since.