I have cats. Aside from rodent control, they don’t serve any purpose other than being part of the family. If my cats somehow had the ability to lay eggs, and since they are all fixed these are unfertilized eggs with no possibility of bearing offspring. Would it be wrong if me to make an omelette from them?
I might have made it more weird by using my cats.
But if you had a few chickens and provided them food and shelter and took good care of them, like you would any pet, why not use their eggs? They’re going to lay them either way. Is it more moral to throw them away?
Those chickens didn’t just happen. Their very existence is abuse. Creating an individual with the preformed intent that you prevent it from becoming able to care for itself, that it will be dependent on you for everything for it’s entire life, that is one of the most abusive things you can do to another individual. Fine, rescue your cats or whatever, but that’s not what you’re talking about right now. You’re talking about a captive individual who exists to convert calories for you, like a machine. They wouldn’t lay eggs anyway; they wouldn’t EXIST. Not as an individual, but also not as a genetic line that is cursed to lay far more eggs than its own interests have any reason for it to lay. It lays so many eggs that its body becomes depleted. It is not natural for chickens to lay eggs so often! That is something that we did to them. And it’s yet more abuse!
The abuse in inescapable when you use an individual’s body for your own purposes.
And again, we are talking about fucking eggs. There is no food shortage. So there is no justification for even a little bit of cruelty and violence. Plus, eggs are not good for you in the first place!!
Wow. That’s nuts. I respect that it’s your opinion, and I wish you the best of luck, but what do you eat?
I hope it’s not plant based. Because growing an individual from a seed only to eventually slaughter and devour it is cruel. Have you even considered how the plant feels when pluck it’s genitals off and eat them, or in some instances, gather a bunch and put them out on display?! How grotesque!
Just because plants can’t tell you how much they are suffering, do you take that as consent to dominate and devour them at your will?
I know you don’t really mean it, but I’m going to use your bad faith arguments to point out some things you should know but have probably never thought about.
Let’s accept that you are a fully committed plant’s rights activist. You considered killing yourself out of respect for your plant brother’s experiences, but ultimately you decide that no creature should be obliged to kill itself simply because of its own inherent nature. You cannot help that you need to eat. So what do you do?
You decide that while you have to eat to survive, that doesn’t mean that you can just eat wantonly, whatever and however the urge strikes you, because there are these serious consequences to your plant friends. You look for the way of life that minimizes the number of plants that you have to kill. Easy, you think, you’ll just eat animals!
Until you realize, those animals eat plants. Those animals ate WAY more plants than you would have if you hadn’t eaten any animals. Oh. Shit. The more animals you eat, the more of your plant sisters you are killing. You realize that your ethical convictions demand that you instead eat only plants, and only as many as you need to survive. Because that is the only solution to this ethical quandary.
But of course, in real life, you are not actually concerned with plant’s rights. It was just a ruse you were pulling. You did not go down this train of thought to its logical conclusion. These are not issues that you have spent years and years thinking about. Rather, like most people, you have been trained to not think about them. You’re not engaging with intellectual honesty, you have begun to attempt to frustrate meaningful discussion. I’m giving you a lot of grace here because I don’t think you realize you did it, and I’d like to give you a chance to see it.
Okay, I can see you have become defensive. It’s understandable. When I finally accepted the vast cruelty and violence I was a part of, it fucking broke me. That is what you are trying to avoid. That is what I tried to avoid for a very long time. Eventually I accepted that I could not be a kind, decent, good person, and continue to use cruelty and violence to exploit unwilling individuals.
I’m going to let you take back your bad faith arguments.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I have cats. Aside from rodent control, they don’t serve any purpose other than being part of the family. If my cats somehow had the ability to lay eggs, and since they are all fixed these are unfertilized eggs with no possibility of bearing offspring. Would it be wrong if me to make an omelette from them?
I might have made it more weird by using my cats.
But if you had a few chickens and provided them food and shelter and took good care of them, like you would any pet, why not use their eggs? They’re going to lay them either way. Is it more moral to throw them away?
jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Just for clarity, I don’t accept that it is okay to keep animals as pets. But that isn’t relevant to the current discussion so I didn’t get into that.
jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Those chickens didn’t just happen. Their very existence is abuse. Creating an individual with the preformed intent that you prevent it from becoming able to care for itself, that it will be dependent on you for everything for it’s entire life, that is one of the most abusive things you can do to another individual. Fine, rescue your cats or whatever, but that’s not what you’re talking about right now. You’re talking about a captive individual who exists to convert calories for you, like a machine. They wouldn’t lay eggs anyway; they wouldn’t EXIST. Not as an individual, but also not as a genetic line that is cursed to lay far more eggs than its own interests have any reason for it to lay. It lays so many eggs that its body becomes depleted. It is not natural for chickens to lay eggs so often! That is something that we did to them. And it’s yet more abuse!
The abuse in inescapable when you use an individual’s body for your own purposes.
And again, we are talking about fucking eggs. There is no food shortage. So there is no justification for even a little bit of cruelty and violence. Plus, eggs are not good for you in the first place!!
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Wow. That’s nuts. I respect that it’s your opinion, and I wish you the best of luck, but what do you eat?
I hope it’s not plant based. Because growing an individual from a seed only to eventually slaughter and devour it is cruel. Have you even considered how the plant feels when pluck it’s genitals off and eat them, or in some instances, gather a bunch and put them out on display?! How grotesque!
Just because plants can’t tell you how much they are suffering, do you take that as consent to dominate and devour them at your will?
jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I know you don’t really mean it, but I’m going to use your bad faith arguments to point out some things you should know but have probably never thought about.
Let’s accept that you are a fully committed plant’s rights activist. You considered killing yourself out of respect for your plant brother’s experiences, but ultimately you decide that no creature should be obliged to kill itself simply because of its own inherent nature. You cannot help that you need to eat. So what do you do?
You decide that while you have to eat to survive, that doesn’t mean that you can just eat wantonly, whatever and however the urge strikes you, because there are these serious consequences to your plant friends. You look for the way of life that minimizes the number of plants that you have to kill. Easy, you think, you’ll just eat animals!
Until you realize, those animals eat plants. Those animals ate WAY more plants than you would have if you hadn’t eaten any animals. Oh. Shit. The more animals you eat, the more of your plant sisters you are killing. You realize that your ethical convictions demand that you instead eat only plants, and only as many as you need to survive. Because that is the only solution to this ethical quandary.
But of course, in real life, you are not actually concerned with plant’s rights. It was just a ruse you were pulling. You did not go down this train of thought to its logical conclusion. These are not issues that you have spent years and years thinking about. Rather, like most people, you have been trained to not think about them. You’re not engaging with intellectual honesty, you have begun to attempt to frustrate meaningful discussion. I’m giving you a lot of grace here because I don’t think you realize you did it, and I’d like to give you a chance to see it.
jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Okay, I can see you have become defensive. It’s understandable. When I finally accepted the vast cruelty and violence I was a part of, it fucking broke me. That is what you are trying to avoid. That is what I tried to avoid for a very long time. Eventually I accepted that I could not be a kind, decent, good person, and continue to use cruelty and violence to exploit unwilling individuals.
I’m going to let you take back your bad faith arguments.