Comment on Why Ukraine will not – and should not – give up the Donbas or any other territory
stephen01king@piefed.zip 3 days agoThe west should’ve, but they didn’t. I never said the west did everything right while helping Ukraine, but you were suggesting that they should let Russia keep the territories that they stole, which is basically giving Putin what he wants.
Remind me what happens the last time they conceded their territory to Putin? It definitely didn’t prevent them from invading again.
Ukraine is not conquering Russian lands, so there is no “has it all” for them. It’s a fight to not let Putin steal their land. The fact that you’re equating the two sides really shows your lack of neutrality in this matter. Where you made your account is simply more proof of it.
Lowleekun@hexbear.net 3 days ago
Okay so you say the EU should keep the war running as long as possible. If it makes me a monster to not see any sense in it so be it.
stephen01king@piefed.zip 3 days ago
Nah, I don’t agree with prolonging the war, but I vehemently disagree with forcing the war to end by capitulating to Putin.
We’ve seen what happens when you do and the answer was not long term peace. Doing that again is as stupid as the US starting another war in the middle east.
As long as Ukraine is still fighting, the EU should keep letting them fight. Stopping Putin’s ambitions short is beneficial for them as well as Ukraine.
Lowleekun@hexbear.net 3 days ago
Beneficial how? They are indebting themselves one loan at a time, having to give off bonus like mineral access on top of it from time to time. What is the end goal? Zelensky probably would say to get back all conquered land. And while that is understandable, how do we suppose to make Russia agree? They can and will keep on going much longer.
Like don’t get me wrong. I get why a peace without land back seems moot to many people but the alternative is war without land back.
And capitulation would entail agreeing to any demands made. That is what happens when there is no fight left on either side. When do you suppose that happens? Especially considering the war in Iran, which seems pretty beneficial to Russia if you ask me.
stephen01king@piefed.zip 3 days ago
In what way would the Iran war benefit Russia outside of increasing the profit margin of their oil exports? Iran is now using up their supply of Shahed drones in the war, which means they would be less likely to have enough to sell to Russia. It just sounds like another blow to their ability to continue waging war against Ukraine.
On the other hand, can Russia keep this up longer than Ukraine is willing to fight? Given that one side is protecting their own sovereignty while the other is doing it for the imperialistic ambitions of the few at the top, I’d say they can’t unless the EU or the US forces an end to the war. Even if you prove that they can, you still need to weigh this over the fact that giving Putin the land will only embolden him to continue his invasion after he rebuilds his army.