Comment on Why Ukraine will not – and should not – give up the Donbas or any other territory
Lowleekun@hexbear.net 3 days agoYes exactly. Russian soldiers are forced as well, never said anything else.
If the fucking west was really interested in Ukraine winning we would have given them the weapons they needed early on. But we didn’t want them to win, we want them to keep Russia busy.
There are literally no gains for either side in the last two years. Do you suppose this war should go on until either side has it all?
Your outrage about where my account was made is pretentious and silly tbh.
stephen01king@piefed.zip 3 days ago
The west should’ve, but they didn’t. I never said the west did everything right while helping Ukraine, but you were suggesting that they should let Russia keep the territories that they stole, which is basically giving Putin what he wants.
Remind me what happens the last time they conceded their territory to Putin? It definitely didn’t prevent them from invading again.
Ukraine is not conquering Russian lands, so there is no “has it all” for them. It’s a fight to not let Putin steal their land. The fact that you’re equating the two sides really shows your lack of neutrality in this matter. Where you made your account is simply more proof of it.
Lowleekun@hexbear.net 3 days ago
Okay so you say the EU should keep the war running as long as possible. If it makes me a monster to not see any sense in it so be it.
stephen01king@piefed.zip 3 days ago
Nah, I don’t agree with prolonging the war, but I vehemently disagree with forcing the war to end by capitulating to Putin.
We’ve seen what happens when you do and the answer was not long term peace. Doing that again is as stupid as the US starting another war in the middle east.
As long as Ukraine is still fighting, the EU should keep letting them fight. Stopping Putin’s ambitions short is beneficial for them as well as Ukraine.
Lowleekun@hexbear.net 3 days ago
Beneficial how? They are indebting themselves one loan at a time, having to give off bonus like mineral access on top of it from time to time. What is the end goal? Zelensky probably would say to get back all conquered land. And while that is understandable, how do we suppose to make Russia agree? They can and will keep on going much longer.
Like don’t get me wrong. I get why a peace without land back seems moot to many people but the alternative is war without land back.
And capitulation would entail agreeing to any demands made. That is what happens when there is no fight left on either side. When do you suppose that happens? Especially considering the war in Iran, which seems pretty beneficial to Russia if you ask me.