Me: provides evidence from the CIA itself, directly related to the topic on hand
Another user: provides evidence that many/most ex-soviet citizens actually preferred Socialism vs the Shock Capitalism they experienced. (Read Shock Doctrine and Blackshirts and Reds)
You: nuh uhh! My great grandparents told me a story once!
How to summon the .ml warrior with this one simple step.
Yes indeed. I fight against misinformation and for human rights. I support and march alongside strikers. I confront Proud Boys and other fascists. I resist against ICE. I fight for LGBTQ+ and BIPOC rights. I am active in mutual aid in my community. I’ve helped put Progressives and Socialists in elected office. I’m organizing my community against fascism and capitalism that ruins our lives.
You? Well … what have you accomplished lately?
That we’ve actually still have accounts of those who witnessed and experienced it first hand.
Yes of course. And there’s Cubans in Miami who denounce Cuba. Nevermind that these people are all ex-land owners, factory owners, and capitalists who exploited the working class for their own benefit. Castro was kind enough to exile them instead of what Mao did.
Myth: Communism Killed 100 Million+ People
Debunked:
Death tolls often include WWII casualties, famines, and natural disasters, misattributed to communism.
Capitalist atrocities (Native American genocide, transatlantic slavery) dwarf these numbers.
Sources like the “Black Book of Communism” are ideologically biased and widely discredited.
Myth: “Communist countries have no food!”
Busted:
Famines (e.g., USSR 1921) were caused by war/sanctions, not socialism.
Socialist states often had better nutrition than capitalist peers (e.g., Cuba’s food security vs. US food deserts).
Capitalist countries waste 40% of food while millions starve.
A good book to read is Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism by Kristen Ghodsee. So yea, read some books. Or rely on anecdotes 2 generations removed lol
Blocking you, I have no desire to continue this thread.
Ferrous@lemmy.ml 18 hours ago
en.wikipedia.org/…/Nostalgia_for_the_Soviet_Union
Further, let’s look at the actual referendum:
en.wikipedia.org/…/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum
Atomic@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
Your survey there seems to include most ex Soviet states. But it would seem you forgot atleast 3. I don’t see Lithuania, Estonia or Latvia there. I wonder why you chose to not include them.
Oh, was it because in Estonia 75% said the dissolution was good (15% bad)
Latvia because 53% said it was good (35% bad)
Or Lithuani where 62% said it was good (23% bad), whom in 1991 according to pew, showed that 13% of them rated their lives as “good”. Where as 44% in 2019.
I have no doubt, that those living in the smaller ex Soviet states were favorable. Their gdppc and ppp are significantly lower than Russias. And they probably think being part of a much larger nation will give them the benefit of a larger economy. That is, until they saw what happened to Ukraine. Which is why almost all of them, except Belarus. Have sought influence elsewhere, mainly China and Turkey.
Though I’d do like to add one final note. Those who disliked Stalin either fled, hid, or “dissapeared”. What’s left are those who remained loyal or hid well enough. The love for Stalin was not out of respect, it was out of fear.
We see all the morons in the US praising Trump. No amount of incompetence will ever make them leave the cult. Reminds me of someone…
Ferrous@lemmy.ml 15 hours ago
Your original (implicit) point was that people who have lived experienced in the era of the USSR disliked it. That’s just not true. All you have is anecdotes - and anecdotes mostly from USians, at that.
Atomic@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
No, all I have is not anecdotes. But the anecdotes confirm everything else.
People fled and smuggled themselves out for a reason. You either fall in line and praise the rulers, or you might trip and fall out of a window.
Millions upon millions died under Stalin. And when he was on deaths door, there were hardly any doctors to treat him due to him having them killed, tortured, and/or arrested. Now that is poetic justice. Though it’s hardly any consolation for his victims.