Essentially, “He was bad, but not THAT bad, that’s just western propaganda”
www.cia.gov/…/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf
“Even in Stalin’s time, there was collective leadership. The Western idea of a dictator within the communist setup is exaggerated.”.
“tankies” though, amirite?
the list of excuses goes on.
A much more convenient excuse is that the USA is telling the truth about USSR while simultaneously executing millions of communists in South America, Africa, and Asia and lying about pretty much everything regarding anti-capitalism over the past century.
Atomic@sh.itjust.works 22 hours ago
LMAO. How to summon the .ml warrior with this one simple step. Thank you for proving my point.
The US is not the only source of information regarding USSR, you’re acting like we in Europe don’t know what happened right next to us.
Plenty of us millenials are old enough to have spoken to our late great grandparents. Who saw what happened with their own eyes. Or did you forget that one little detail? It’s not very convenient for you is it. That we’ve actually still have accounts of those who witnessed and experienced it first hand.
Fuck the USSR, fuck the apologists, fuck Russia, and fuck the US.
Ferrous@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
en.wikipedia.org/…/Nostalgia_for_the_Soviet_Union
Further, let’s look at the actual referendum:
en.wikipedia.org/…/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum
Atomic@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
Your survey there seems to include most ex Soviet states. But it would seem you forgot atleast 3. I don’t see Lithuania, Estonia or Latvia there. I wonder why you chose to not include them.
Oh, was it because in Estonia 75% said the dissolution was good (15% bad)
Latvia because 53% said it was good (35% bad)
Or Lithuani where 62% said it was good (23% bad), whom in 1991 according to pew, showed that 13% of them rated their lives as “good”. Where as 44% in 2019.
I have no doubt, that those living in the smaller ex Soviet states were favorable. Their gdppc and ppp are significantly lower than Russias. And they probably think being part of a much larger nation will give them the benefit of a larger economy. That is, until they saw what happened to Ukraine. Which is why almost all of them, except Belarus. Have sought influence elsewhere, mainly China and Turkey.
Though I’d do like to add one final note. Those who disliked Stalin either fled, hid, or “dissapeared”. What’s left are those who remained loyal or hid well enough. The love for Stalin was not out of respect, it was out of fear.
We see all the morons in the US praising Trump. No amount of incompetence will ever make them leave the cult. Reminds me of someone…
Ferrous@lemmy.ml 19 hours ago
Your original (implicit) point was that people who have lived experienced in the era of the USSR disliked it. That’s just not true. All you have is anecdotes - and anecdotes mostly from USians, at that.
silentjohn@lemmy.ml 18 hours ago
Me: provides evidence from the CIA itself, directly related to the topic on hand
Another user: provides evidence that many/most ex-soviet citizens actually preferred Socialism vs the Shock Capitalism they experienced. (Read Shock Doctrine and Blackshirts and Reds)
You: nuh uhh! My great grandparents told me a story once!
Yes indeed. I fight against misinformation and for human rights. I support and march alongside strikers. I confront Proud Boys and other fascists. I resist against ICE. I fight for LGBTQ+ and BIPOC rights. I am active in mutual aid in my community. I’ve helped put Progressives and Socialists in elected office. I’m organizing my community against fascism and capitalism that ruins our lives.
You? Well … what have you accomplished lately?
Yes of course. And there’s Cubans in Miami who denounce Cuba. Nevermind that these people are all ex-land owners, factory owners, and capitalists who exploited the working class for their own benefit. Castro was kind enough to exile them instead of what Mao did.
Myth: Communism Killed 100 Million+ People
Debunked:
Death tolls often include WWII casualties, famines, and natural disasters, misattributed to communism.
Capitalist atrocities (Native American genocide, transatlantic slavery) dwarf these numbers.
Sources like the “Black Book of Communism” are ideologically biased and widely discredited.
Myth: “Communist countries have no food!”
Busted:
Famines (e.g., USSR 1921) were caused by war/sanctions, not socialism.
Socialist states often had better nutrition than capitalist peers (e.g., Cuba’s food security vs. US food deserts).
Capitalist countries waste 40% of food while millions starve.
A good book to read is Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism by Kristen Ghodsee. So yea, read some books. Or rely on anecdotes 2 generations removed lol
Blocking you, I have no desire to continue this thread.
Atomic@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
What’s the point of asking questions if you’re gonna block?
What CIA says or doesn’t say is literally, irrelevant. We have plenty of accounts from within Europe.
That other user very conveniently left out the 3 baltic countries where the vast majority doesn’t want to rejoin. And those 3 countries just so happen to also have much higher gdppc and ppp than the rest.
You’re not fighting misinformation by being a Stalin apologist. And certainly not with your whataboutism. This isn’t about Cuba… or the US.
No idea where this 100m+ is from or that communist countries doeant have food. Literally never heard that. Are you just making up myths so you can “debunk” them?
The famines were created by Stalins collectivisation. His policy dealt the final blow that doomed millions to starvation. They had food. They just didn’t let certain people keep it…
You’re not fooling anyone. We know things were not great under Stalin. From the famines to the arbitrary dissapearnces and arrests. But keep excusing it.
It’s so hilarious that you say you fight against ICE, while defending the Soviet’s far worse version of “ICE”. You know how ICE drags people off the street in broad daylight. That’s what happened back then too.