Comment on Human experimentation, one way or the other.

• b0ber@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m sure you can find some papers easily, I haven’t looked into it in years but just from memory there are a few vectors from which problems can arise. The immune system produces antibodies and is responsible for ensuring that they are properly reactive. If this system becomes overactivated, some antibodies may slip through and target the own body, potentially leading to an autoimmune response. We also know that breastfeeding can transfer antibodies from mother to baby. Another consideration is the stability of mRNA production from fetal stem cells. In previous experiments, this process has often been unreliable or unstable. Also the virus mutates much more rapidly than many others, so priming the immune system against a specific variant may reduce its effectiveness against other variants or different viruses.

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  • yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sorry but no, this is not how it works. You claim things, you show proof of things. I don’t look it up for you. Provide sources.

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    • b0ber@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Here’s a few: www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q488 med.stanford.edu/…/myocarditis-vaccine-covid.html pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10108562/ pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9206826/ pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/ pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33866000/ nationalacademies.org/…/new-comprehensive-review-… www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M23-2956 pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9021367/ www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0264410X22010283 www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/…/full

      pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7944975/ If not mistaken this study used by Pfizer to support its vaccine global safety, was conducted in Israel using data from Clalit Health Services. The methodology was flawed: Pfizer sponsored the study, the lead researcher had ties to the company, and there was no proper system to track side effects (unlike the U.S. VAERS system)

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      • yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        OK so… Here we are talking about myocarditis (at least in the first 2 articles listed), which is definitely not what you talked about in your first comment.

        In the article you mentioned, I quote

        “But COVID’s worse,” he added. A case of COVID-19 is about 10 times as likely to induce myocarditis as an mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccination, Wu said. That’s in addition to all the other trouble it causes.

        So the vaccine has a small chance to provoke myocarditis (with very fast recovery) and not taking the vaccine has a much higher chance of provoking the same effects plus others much worse, including death.

        Then, you list another article about possible autoimmune diseases induced by the vaccine. Again, not your intial topic. I’ll quote the authors:

        Our objective is not to refute the importance of vaccines, but to raise awareness about the potential risks of COVID-19 vaccination. In fact, we believe that the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the possible risks and encourage people to get vaccinated

        Yeah. I won’t go through all the list, but we get the picture. Nobody’s saying to get vaccinated for fun. Every single sane person should definately be curious of mass vaccination campaigns. But it is important to carefully read studies and not jump to conclusions, be them in favour or against what we believe.

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  • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    No I can’t find any papers easily on that subject. So show me.

    I bet you can’t find sources at all either.

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    • b0ber@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q488

      med.stanford.edu/…/myocarditis-vaccine-covid.html

      pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10108562/

      pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9206826/

      pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/

      pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33866000/

      nationalacademies.org/…/new-comprehensive-review-…

      www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M23-2956

      pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9021367/

      www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0264410X22010283 www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/…/full

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      • fishy@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Listen pal, nobody is going to sift through a dozen research articles you dump without any citation.

        But just a cursory scan of the first article says .78/1000000 cases have the mentioned side effect and 1.2/1000000 have the other side effect. COVID mortality rate is something like 350x higher lol.

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