I know someone who knows someone who’s friend’s postman had it and he grew a third arm!
Comment on Human experimentation, one way or the other.
b0ber@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The first batches of mRNA vaccines were terrible. One of my friends had his skin start peeling after the first shot. Two others died within a day of the third shot. One of them was an athlete who swam daily. In my country, they were pushed on everyone, babies and pregnant women, some of whom later had abortions. But I guess no one will ever admit any mistakes. it’s easier to sow division among people than to seriously look into potential side effects.
llamatron@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
b0ber@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Here’s a link to a website where you can find your intellectual companions and gaslight each other: reddit.com
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Why go to Reddit? Plenty of people like you do it on here regularly as well.
CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Maybe you should mention where you are from. Because they definitely did not release an untested vaccine into western countries, it was tested and the bugs were worked out, somewhere.
yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Sources. You know. To show you’re not a tool.
b0ber@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m sure you can find some papers easily, I haven’t looked into it in years but just from memory there are a few vectors from which problems can arise. The immune system produces antibodies and is responsible for ensuring that they are properly reactive. If this system becomes overactivated, some antibodies may slip through and target the own body, potentially leading to an autoimmune response. We also know that breastfeeding can transfer antibodies from mother to baby. Another consideration is the stability of mRNA production from fetal stem cells. In previous experiments, this process has often been unreliable or unstable. Also the virus mutates much more rapidly than many others, so priming the immune system against a specific variant may reduce its effectiveness against other variants or different viruses.
yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Sorry but no, this is not how it works. You claim things, you show proof of things. I don’t look it up for you. Provide sources.
b0ber@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Here’s a few: www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q488 med.stanford.edu/…/myocarditis-vaccine-covid.html pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10108562/ pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9206826/ pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/ pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33866000/ nationalacademies.org/…/new-comprehensive-review-… www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M23-2956 pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9021367/ www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0264410X22010283 www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/…/full
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7944975/ If not mistaken this study used by Pfizer to support its vaccine global safety, was conducted in Israel using data from Clalit Health Services. The methodology was flawed: Pfizer sponsored the study, the lead researcher had ties to the company, and there was no proper system to track side effects (unlike the U.S. VAERS system)
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
No I can’t find any papers easily on that subject. So show me.
I bet you can’t find sources at all either.
b0ber@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q488
med.stanford.edu/…/myocarditis-vaccine-covid.html
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10108562/
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9206826/
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33866000/
nationalacademies.org/…/new-comprehensive-review-…
www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M23-2956
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9021367/
www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0264410X22010283 www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/…/full
spinner@discuss.online 3 weeks ago
Life is full of risks. All medical procedures carry risks. The risk of having a serious side effect (like an allergic reaction) are less than .1% - that is a pretty low risk situation.
You might experience chills, soreness at the injection site, temporary muscle pain. These mild side effects are more common - 10-30% of people may feel these.
But, given the health risk of catching the virus. Especially now that it looks like catching covid multiple times is a bad idea. It isn’t like flu, it appears that many people experience increased severity of symptoms, some people develop long covid (which is no joke), some people can develop long-term health problems that hit their respiratory system or cause long term cardiovascular problems or develop neurological problems.
Please consider the long-term consequences of skipping vaccines.
schnokobaer@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Sure thing
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Double edged sword.
If we don’t act fast enough, many will die. If we acted too fast with untested vaccine, people may die. I guess will and may are very important here. Would be much preferable if we didn’t suddenly discover and spread the deadly virus.
b0ber@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah, I can definitely see the benefits. But completely dismissing the concerns of those who think differently doesn’t feel very constructive. The pharma companies basically made billions on this with zero liability, its ridiculous.
bootleg@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
This comment is probably satire, but anybody reading this should really check out this debate youtube.com/watch?v=30W2w02n360.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I knew an athlete who had an mRNA vaccine and he died in a car accident two days afterwards. This was a very fit and healthy person who ran daily.
b0ber@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Hilarious, did you come up with this yourself, using your own talent?
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Yeah I did, kinda like how only twelve people came up with 90% of the anti vax bullshit that got spread around during COVID.
b0ber@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m not here to defend anti-vax views, but to critique the culture of denial. Clearly, it’s difficult for many to discuss the negative aspects without dismissal, likely due to the cognitive dissonance they experience.