Comment on We don’t have room in the carbon budget for a world war.

• Mika@piefed.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  USA is not with Ukraine, if you imply that. Trump is a russian asset and he did lift sanctions from russia just this week, alongside with ramping oil prices to the roof.

  Unless you assume that russia is losing the attrition war (which is very unlikely with @lemmy.ml), your comment doesn’t make any sense.

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  • Transform2942@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I do not have the patience to have this stupid fight today. Ukraine is definitely a US proxy. Every president since George W Bush has been eagerly promoting and escalating this war.

    The war in Iran has sealed Ukraine’s fate. All the cards they had left to play have now been neutralized. It doesn’t matter how much propaganda you believe about this war because it’s coming to a rapid conclusion

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    • ChristerMLB@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Alright, I’ll bite. How does the war with Iran “seal Ukraine’s fate”?

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      • Transform2942@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        3 factors:

        • Whether or not you believe Russia’s economy was “just about to collapse from sanctions”, that is all up in smoke now
        • The Western armories were already running bare. Now, Ukraine will probably never receive another air defense interceptor. There won’t be any tomahawks to give.
        • Ukraine’s European backers were already under tremendous economic strain from having the highest energy prices in the world. They are EXTREMELY exposed to this current energy shock.

        The combined forces of the West were already losing before suffering this massive economic shock and gigantic military expenditure

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• FaygoRedPop@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Why are you asking me a question? I just asked you one. Why would that instigate a world war? I’m asking you because I don’t know, not because I’m trying to argue with you.

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  • Transform2942@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Honestly, I wrote my comment with a questioning tone because I wasn’t sure if your original comment was being sarcastic or something. I guess people don’t understand that this Iran war is much more serious than Vietnam and Afghanistan put together, on top of the Ukraine war still ongoing

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    • FaygoRedPop@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Ok, so the strait doesn’t open. Who joins whose side?

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      • Transform2942@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        The line has already been drawn. The only meaningful wildcards are the Turks and the Egyptians. The question you should be asking is how long until the gulf monarchies run out of unperishable food? That hits much sooner than the Global fertilizer crisis, we won’t feel the business end of that until harvest season in the northern hemisphere

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      • Soulphite@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        It’d probably play out as Iran, China, Russia (eventually North Korea) v. US, Israel - then all the dick swinging and pissing contest and empty threats would push UK, France and Germany in but they’d just be hoping US would be doing all the heavy lifting because honestly they want to be the “heroes” anyway so why not. Then some bickering and hootin and hollering would happen between Russia, China and US and nuclear threats begin. It’d likely be a stalemate as it’d be considered MAD (mutually assured destruction) but who knows with these crazy assholes.

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  • HeroHelck@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    There’s a few of tracks leading to this actually. You got cracks in old alliances forming, a mostly failed attempt at revanchism from Russia and the USA getting it’s fingers stuck in a mouse trap, and many many more geopolitical factors that heighten tension between states. Then on another track, you have a worsening climate situation that is MUCH more serious than most western leaders are daring to admit, this ties back to the first as states will begin to take drastic efforts to control worsening conditions. Finally there has been a technological shift in a variety of ways, drones of course. Along that same vein, China has quietly been catching up to the US in terms of military tech, this isn’t as flashy but it is monumentous.

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