Again so quick to fire you assume that I disagree with you.
Something to consider though, we do have free speech in this country and its likely and this case will get thrown out.
But also tell me how wearing a t shirt constructively convinces others to share our point of view? Quite the contrary I imagine others who don’t share the same opinion will go ‘avoid this person before they shout at me for having a different point of view’
And do you know a better way to make a movement in this country than if everyone is able to convince someone else to share (or perhaps just lean closer to) a common opinion/belief. So if instead of pissing off alternative points of view, have an open chat, you might change ppls minds. 1 million voices is better than 100,000 voices, and 25 million voices is better than 1 million. And an open chat is not wearing a tshirt.
But first people need to actually talk and listen to each other instead of shouting and hating each other.
Wearing a shirt doesn’t, but then why should the government care? The answer is they shouldn’t.
Punchinb nazis used to be cool. Now, when the forner victims of genocide pay that genocide forward, governments defend it, going so far as to prosecute their own for saying “I don’t like it”.
A normal government reply would be: cool, enjoy your angst. Instead, they spend money and energy on it which is not normal.
I agree with you they shouldn’t care about a tshirt, and if the case was challenged it would likely get thrown out, forcing them to make new laws.
To be clear, punching anyone is not cool, and it’s this kind of hateful thinking that makes wars. “Well it’s okays to physically hurt this person cos they think/believe/are different”.
It is this opinion that people on either side of the war effort use to justify thier actions, either it’s right to physically harm palestinians cos they are different, or it is right to harm israelis again cos they are different. That’s part of the problem not the solution, it will always make the situation of you punch them so they punch back and now your fighting.
Australians are genociders too afterall.
Let’s have a quiet conversation about bombing your family with white phosphorus. You can start :)
Mate I’m super sorry this happened to you. No one deserves it and it shouldn’t happen period.
My point however is the name calling as you did in the other comments on my posts and shouting at me, is not the constructive discussion that will start a movement against this. People will just tune out or worse yet actively oppose you. You will ostracise others and cement thier point of view. Which will disrupt the ability to build a movement against these actions.
bampop@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You assume that I assume that you disagree with me.
Well, I am making a counterpoint to your comments about people having nothing better to do and not having a common goal as a collective. This one woman achieved something extremely worthwhile, and probably wasn’t working in isolation. She brought attention to some absurd bans on free speech, and by calling the government’s bluff on it, helped to reduce the chilling effect on dissent that such restrictions are intended to create. It takes courage, but the most effective way to oppose an unjust law is to break that law, openly and with as much publicity as possible. It draws attention to what is wrong in a way that an open chat simply fails to do.
I’m not opposed to verbal persuasion, but it has limitations. Sure you might be able to convince one person of something in a face to face conversation. But that’s small fry compared to the influence of internet forums, which have become overrun with bots, paid shills, foreign interference, partisan moderators and hidden algorithms designed to maximize engagement and promote particular viewpoints.
Sure you can try to change people’s minds and/or maintain a balanced worldview in that arena. But any large scale forum for talk tends to create delusion, division and outrage, by design. It keeps dissent in a form that is limited and manipulated. Keep talking by all means, but people like this woman are doing more to improve the world than mere talk ever could.
ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world 3 days ago
All I say to this is, if you witness these events you’ll see it is often students around uni age, or retirees, both with too much time on thier hands. You wont see the 28 year old mum of two, or the 38 year old fella trying to make it in banking. Cos they are at work, contributing to society. This very event was a student group.
This girl achieved nothing except getting a permanent stamp on her criminal record, and costing the tax payer more dollars.
This is why I say a more persuasive approach is better, it’s more effective and will change other points of view. Is it more difficult, I agree with you, but no one is gonna witness what happened here and go ‘geez I’ve been wrong all this time and now I’m gonna change my point of view’ so continuing it will always lead to a more isolated (but loud) group instead of a broader movement.
That’s why I say instead of going to a protest chat with your social group and respectfully bring up the issue, listen and have a respectful sharing of ideas, you might walk away with 3 or 4 more people leave that have changed thier point of view, and another 2 that have had thiers challenged, and are now closer to yours. That is far more effective than this entire event, and if everyone did this, you’d be amazed at the change that would happen.
bampop@lemmy.world 3 days ago
By “contributing to society” do you mean stuck at work all week, too busy, too exhausted and too tied up by your financial obligations to ever dare to rock the boat in any way? These students and retirees don’t have too much time on their hands. They have ENOUGH time on their hands to get out there and make a difference. I would hate to live in a world where no person is ever free enough to do such a thing, but that is the way things are going. I guess you’ll be very happy to get there.
ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world 3 days ago
No I mean going to work, paying your taxes, using your earnt money to buy things from other people is contributing to society.
Perhaps you work at a mechanic, and you fix cars for the removalist, who moves a banker, who manages finances for a fabricator, who buys a coffee from the cafe.
This is contributing to society and is what makes the economy work, without a strong economy australia will be a husk with no influence. So yes going to work is contributing.
And yes there is a whole discussion on financial obligations and people not owning stuff and being in debt to the hilt, but I’m not sure this is the right page for it.
luciferofastora@feddit.org 3 days ago
“Too much”? Having time to fight for a cause is “too much”? Or is it that the rest of us have too little?
For the students, it’s their future on the line. What good does a clean record do under the boot? They have everything to win.
For retirees, it’s the most selfless thing one could ask for: to put their own wellbeing on the line for a future that won’t affect them as much any more.
The mom of two has more to lose than the retiree or the student. Her children’s immediate need for survival and care trumps the political objective. The 38 year old probably also has a family, or maybe they’re jaded and have given up on fighting for progress or simply don’t care.
But either way, it boils down to: Students and retirees have the time for activism, less attachments and the cause to make a better future. If they succeed, we all benefit from it. We should be cheering them on!
And giving censorship the finger.
xep@discuss.online 2 days ago
It’s the right and privilege of our youth to be able to do things like this, and taking it away from them makes society worse for everyone.