Comment on Migration minister fails UK citizenship test question
echodot@feddit.uk 13 hours agoOh I know they’re all about who won what battle in 1791. I had one question that asked when Scotland and England became one nation, I mean I know roughly when it was (I know which century it occurred in) but I couldn’t give you the exact date.
FishFace@piefed.social 10 hours ago
I’d rank that information as more significant trivia than the height of the fucking London Eye.
It was 1707 wasn’t it?
echodot@feddit.uk 9 hours ago
It’s just that I don’t think that knowing a bunch of historical facts that most people never retain, if they’re taught them at all, is really what’s necessary for someone to integrate into British culture.
Think of any nation and you can immediately name national traits, Peru has a very different cultural backdrop than Germany for example. Knowledge of that is what the citizenship test should be checking for. Not whether or not I can remember a bunch of dates from the attached guide otherwise it’s much more about sending the accompanying book as it is about actually helping people integrate
FishFace@piefed.social 7 hours ago
Yeah. I kind of get it though, and some historical facts do have a material impact on your understanding of that cultural backdrop, while also being much easier to test for. (And I think it is reasonable to have some kind of check on integration, even if imperfect, for naturalisation)
In this example, if you know that the Acts of Union were 1542 for Wales, 1707 (huzzah) for Scotland and 1800 for Ireland, that tells you something about the relative strengths of the bonds between the different countries in the union. It gives you historical context for why Scottish Independence is a stronger movement than Welsh Independence, and helps you navigate interactions with people from the different countries.
So a test that asks questions of that character can be objective, concise, and still encourages prospective citizens to learn things which are useful from the point of view of integration. In these topics people often bring up queuing culture (but I’ve never invited someone to go in front of me at a checkout that I remember), tea culture (but loads of people don’t drink tea, disagree on milk/tea order, etc), sports (I don’t follow any) that all have significant problems.