Comment on Lead Lemmy developer dessalines@lemmy.ml Appears to Have Had Their Account Compromised After Moderation Actions Raise Serious Concerns

• Zangoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Tbf Piefed also does have opinionated moderation literally hardcoded into the source code.

  It’s pretty easy to modify since it’s python and not rust, but still not great

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  • admin@scrapetacular.ydns.eu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    In b4 discussion of what constitutes hardcoding

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  • fizzle@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Ok what opinionated moderation?

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    • Zangoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      There were a few, not exaustive since it’s been a few months since I looked through the source code, some of this might have changed and there’s also a few other checks that I’m forgetting:

      • 4chan screenshots (specifically anything that OCR identified as having “Anonymous #(number)” in it) were banned. Honestly this one is fine as a toggle but I think for a while it was just on by default in the code
      • any community that had specific words in it were blocked at instance level. I think “meme” was there, a few swear words, and a few carryover reddit meme community names (196, I think nottheonion was also there, anything with “shitpost” in the name, etc.)
      • There’s a hidden karma/social credit score based on a user’s interactions and net total karma hidden from them that gets impacted by any moderation actions, including some of the automated hardcoded ones (e.g. even trying to upload an image that gets flagged by the hardcoded checks)
      • users with a low enough net score get shadow-banned without being informed

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    • Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      There are some disabled by default, filters built into piefed. That the main Dev uses on their instance. It’s not really even remotely the same thing or as controversial. But it’s the closest thing piefed has and gets brought up regularly because of it.

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      • Zangoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Honestly I would consider hardcoded shadowbanning just as bad.

        Just because I’m closer to agreeing with the PieFed dev’s opinions a little bit more doesn’t mean that I’d support shadow banning someone because the trivially-evaded checks caught a false positive in the crossfire. Piefed’s auto moderation/social scoring is pretty much textbook definition security-by-obscurity. The second anyone knows how it works, it’s useless. It will pretty much exclusively catch people who just wanted to post a harmless meme or something.

        At least (for now) Dessalines isn’t hardcoding his tankie beliefs into Lemmy’s source code.

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• lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Piefed is known to incorporate CCP-style shadow profile and similar measures, such as “Social Credit”, so it’d be hilarious to complain about l.ml’s alignment to then migrate to piefed of all places.

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  • AntiBullyRanger@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    no matter how many times you illusionary truth effect this, piefed users won’t be getting mortgages on using antislop abuse.

    Why lemmy & dessalines depend on slop is beyond the topic of this crywolf 🧵 ╮(︶▽︶)╭

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