Comment on I'm struggling to think of any online services for which I'd be willing to verify my identity or age
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 4 days agoYou need to trust your government or trust it to not turn evil to be willing to see them take on the task of knowing every single online account you use. And hope whoever comes into power doesn’t find comments you made in a past a threat that it wasn’t before. Like something as benign as the belief politicians should be held accountable could be flagged as treasonous for daring to question the government’s credibility.
Which is the real goal of online verification. Police citizens and eventually kill off or curb sharing of thoughts and ideas for fear of current or future retaliation depending on who comes into power. Automated flagging of potential abnormals based on profiles generated from linked citizen online accounts is the end game.
The idea that this would help stop malicious foreign actors itself seems like yet another false belief that this type of system would be used for the good of citizens as opposed to tracking and move towards Big Brother.
I don’t think it needs to be government based, I don’t see why it can’t be Independent.
I don’t see why the independent entity can’t work through the local DMV systems for verification.
You can cry “Oh, but then you’re trusting a corporation with your data” and like, first off, it can be a non-profit. Also, what are you doing with your ISP? The browser you use? The websites you visit? Every step of the way you’re trusting some corporation with your data - there’s no getting away from that.
This is a bad take. All of it.
Cool, thanks for the notes and alternatives.
Guess we’ll just have to keep dealing with the weaponization of misinformation in the rise of LLMs all on our own.
I’m sure the undereducated will be just fine.
I promise you’ll be ok if you think about it for just a little bit longer.
When something used to not be required shifts to now being asked of by even nonessential sites to more easily link to an actual ID I’m not as open to just handing it over as you are.
Your line of thinking falls along the lines of people who chose to verify with discord, so nothing is really an issue to you. So trying to convince people like me to fall into your line of thinking is going to take more effort.
Palantir is a corporation and independent entity after all. And non profit isn’t some bullet proof protection.
I don’t think nonessential sites should have some kind of ID verification, but I do think there needs to be some spaces where IDs are verified.
If we can’t trust the government, and we can’t trust independent entities, and there are actual government entities around the world pouring resources info both information campaigns and LLMs to use against the populace, what options do we have?
Why can’t we trust The Linux Foundation (for example) with tie ins to government verification systems to socialize on closed box social websites where we know the individuals we’re socializing with are actual people of the Nation?
I understand that trusting some entity with your information is troublesome, and I don’t think the whole of the internet should be like this, but I do think some spaces need this to prevent external aggravators. For the U.S. I’d argue it’s National Security; there’s pretty clear interference from external sources influencing the populace that don’t make it obvious.
My point is that we as a society, and each Nation for it’s own security and health, needs to form some kind of plan to fight both non-citizens posing as legitimate citizens and the rise of LLMs doing the same. How do we do that in a non-intrusive way?
The US government asked for subpoenas of users from reddit, discord, etc. You really trust that ID verification is being pushed is to help combat misinformation campaigns? Have you looked at the tech bros that were right next to the US president and all the stock manipulation and financial deals being done? A billionaire created their own private agency with doge with zero consequences.
You seem to be operating on the logic of completely ignoring what is going on in the world to still believe any of these changes are for the good of the people as opposed to control. And to be asking for it when you see who is in charge of the US is really wild.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 days ago
that requires trusting my neighbors not to turn evil, or rather >20% evil (since all it took to elect Krasnov was 20% of the population voting for him) and I have lived in places that were >60% evil, so…