Comment on the two party system is just one big party

• Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Kamala literally supported the genocide in Gaza, and Obama and Biden killed a shitload of kids.

  Oh geez since they’re not perfect, let’s let the Nazis take over. I’m not even trying to sarcastically mock you, that’s literally what’s happening. The fact that you’re hand waving how much worse trump actually is than either Obama or Biden is kinda telling, especially if you really think “The differences are primarily aesthetic and procedural.”

  They really aren’t that different.

  Let me ask it again, would Kamala have done the awful crimes that trump is doing, yes or no? If yes, justify it, anything short of that is tacit acknowledgement that she wouldn’t (and is exactly the kind of continued deflection I expect from this conversation) because you’d be able to do so if they were as close as you say. I keep hearing that they’re the same, yet aside from supporting Israel (to a bad, but objectively lesser extent), there’s no real argument to be made aside from purity politics. And playing purity politics is a good portion of why we are where we are.

  So many people love to push accelerationist methodologies that only hurt the most vulnerable while letting the worst among us take power, and that’s basically what this is. And it’s hiding behind the intellectually lazy “well, they’re all bad so it doesn’t matter” mentality that falls apart if you actually look past a surface level. I don’t like a lot of the shit that Kamala supported, but you’re fucking high if you think that Kamala at her worst would have been anywhere near this bad. And don’t take this as me supporting Kamala, she was not someone I liked, but she could at least be worked with more than what we have now and objectively would not be doing the shit that’s going on now.

  But hey, you and those like you stuck to your morals and made a difference in the world! Instead of getting someone who isn’t great but can be worked with, we chose to elect Nazis that are actively taking people off of the street, murdering civilians in the streets, and starting more wars that will lead to countless more deaths than if we had chosen to play electoral politics.

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  • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s fucking unbelievable to me the way you write about this, like supporting a genocide is like some little understandable human foible or something. Supporting a genocide makes you completely nonviable. Full stop. Nothing more needs to be said. You would vote for Hitler himself if he ran on a Dem ticket against Mussolini.

    You can just read the rest of my comments for the answer to your questions, I’ve already explained it at least half a dozen times and I’m getting a bit tired of doing so.

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    • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, that’s what I thought

      Let me ask it again, would Kamala have done the awful crimes that trump is doing, yes or no? If yes, justify it, anything short of that is tacit acknowledgement that she wouldn’t (and is exactly the kind of continued deflection I expect from this conversation) because you’d be able to do so if they were as close as you say. I keep hearing that they’re the same, yet aside from supporting Israel (to a bad, but objectively lesser extent), there’s no real argument to be made aside from purity politics. And playing purity politics is a good portion of why we are where we are.

      It’s a simple question, yes or no?

      It’s fucking unbelievable to me the way you write about this, like supporting a genocide is like some little understandable human foible or something. Supporting a genocide makes you completely nonviable. Full stop.

      See, this is why people likely find your views shallow or childish. Supporting the candidate who wanted THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SUFFERING is not the same as supporting everything they support, or even in the same fucking plane as supporting genocide. And if one supports a small amount vs a massive amount, it doesn’t take much brain power to realize that the option to reduce harm is the smaller of the two.

      Also, it helps to understand electoral politics. If you have two options and you don’t choose, you’re choosing to let the majority choose for you and is a tacit vote for the opposition in an election where they were doing everything they can to suppress turnout. I can just as easily make the argument that you indirectly supported even more genocide because you couldn’t vote for the lesser option as you can for me supporting genocide because I voted for Kamala.

      Nothing more needs to be said. You would vote for Hitler himself if he ran on a Dem ticket against Mussolini.

      Yeah, this is also why your views are seen as childish, and makes it blindingly clear you have no understanding of what I’m saying and are just responding emotionally. You’re just trying to get under my skin because you know you can’t respond to my actual point.

      You can just read the rest of my comments for the answer to your questions, I’ve already explained it at least half a dozen times and I’m getting a bit tired of doing so.

      Nah, I want you to defend yourself instead of hiding behind your purity politics.

      But we both know you can’t.

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    • Jax@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Did you vote for Kamala or did you abstain/vote third party?

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