Comment on New York sues Valve for enabling "illegal gambling" with loot boxes

• Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Diablo 3 has no real trading. You have only limited time trading of things you find while playing with other people. Maybe you meant Diablo Immortal but I don’t know enough about that to talk on that subject.

  As for War Thunder and EVE. Yes, they have lootboxes and yes there’s a perceived monetary value to the boxes and things in the box, but they’re not the same as Steam because those games do the common thing (which IMO should also be banned) where you stick a premium currency between real money and the thing you want to purchase and obfuscate the actual value of things. I don’t agree with what they’re doing but they are making sure value of items is not directly translatable to real money. It’s one of the tactics companies hide behind (while also manipulating players to spend more). Steam doesn’t even do that. Steam literally puts real money value on the market. You want to buy a Factory new Marble Fade talon knife you know the starting price is exactly 732,98€.

  I’m pretty sure in EVE and War Thunder you also get to open some of those lootboxes for free which is another difference from Valve games, where you literally have to pay real money to open the box. I imagine that also plays a role in how companies defend their practices, by saying it’s not gambling because you don’t have to pay to open lootboxes, you just pay to get EXTRA lootboxes to open.

  And to make it clear, I’m not defending the gatcha industy. IMO that should be struck down the same way Valve’s gambling machine should be struck down.

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  • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Diablo 3 had a RMAH (real money auction house). I didn’t play the game long so it was still up when I stopped playing it. Since fuck blizzard.

    WT requires you to buy keys to open the boxes, and you can sell the boxes you find on their store.

    Eve has a full blown cash economy.

    I honestly don’t care about any of this. I think if a fool wants to waste their money on digital skins for a game. Let them.

    But I’m not a prohibition type. Blackmarkets pop up because people are shouting “think of the children”. It’s not kids buying this shit, it’s adults with jobs.

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    • Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Diablo 3 had a RMAH (real money auction house). I didn’t play the game long so it was still up when I stopped playing it. Since fuck blizzard.

      Which got removed roughly when the expansion launched due to there being huge backlash on this bullshit.

      WT requires you to buy keys to open the boxes, and you can sell the boxes you find on their store.

      For premium boxes. You still get free boxes that you can open, but fair enough. That said, being able to sell premium boxes is not the same thing as being able to sell the things you got from the premium box and it changes nothing about the rest of what I said in the previous comment.

      Eve has a full blown cash economy.

      Not even going to bother with this one because who know what the fuck you mean here. Don’t bother explaining, I don’t care.

      I honestly don’t care about any of this. I think if a fool wants to waste their money on digital skins for a game. Let them.

      So why comment in the first place? Because now I have to waste my time correcting your vague bullshit and I’m pretty pissed off about it because this is something I care about and you’re here just talking shit about things you don’t understand and don’t care to understand. Good for you for not knowing how damaging addiction can be for addicts and the people around them, next time do everyone a favor and stfu when you don’t give a shit.

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      • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Which got removed roughly when the expansion launched due to there being huge backlash on this bullshit.

        Which means what exactly…it was there. You asked. I provided.

        For premium boxes. You still get free boxes that you can open, but fair enough. That said, being able to sell premium boxes is not the same thing as being able to sell the things you got from the premium box and it changes nothing about the rest of what I said in the previous comment.

        Uhh ok? It kinda does…

        Not even going to bother with this one because who know what the fuck you mean here. Don’t bother explaining, I don’t care.

        Lol ok

        So why comment in the first place? Because now I have to waste my time correcting your vague bullshit and I’m pretty pissed off about it because this is something I care about and you’re here just talking shit about things you don’t understand and don’t care to understand. Good for you for not knowing how damaging addiction can be for addicts and the people around them, next time do everyone a favor and stfu when you don’t give a shit.

        Because this is a platform that allows people to post their comments. You whining about how you care that whales exist, doesn’t magically make your opinion more important than mine. Plenty of games out there aren’t pay 2 win…so vote with your wallet and don’t play them. If you are addicted get help. Don’t punish those who enjoy a vice. It’s how we get shit legislation that doesn’t do anything but create blackmarkets.

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