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I said it above, but I’ll rephrase:

a user giving way more downvotes than upvotes than is a sign of toxic behaviour (I insist on “giving”, so the user is the only one doing that action, we are not talking about other people’s actions)
every time I see a user with warnings, they have both, meaning that they give a lot of downvotes (see previous points), and indeed get downvoted back

The point you are making with people going against the hivemind is related to people receiving a lot of downvotes, but doesn’t explain people giving a lot of downvotes.

Blaze you do so much for the fediverse but defending this type of system is very disappointing to me.

I indeed do a lot, and I’ve seen toxic users going rampant at a few moments. The lemm.ee shutdown due to trolling and toxicity is a sign that we needed a way to identify bad faith trolls and toxic users better to avoid mods and admins burnout.

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goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

The point you are making with people going against the hivemind is related to people receiving a lot of downvotes, but doesn’t explain people giving a lot of downvotes.

Because it’s treated differently in piefed but still an example of how the software is designed to punish those who do not act the way the creator wants.

It just doesn’t seem like a way to actually address bad faith trolls or bad actors just make it easier to purge. Especially with instances that love to keep those types around, see world and shit just works.

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- Blaze@piefed.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  While we are talking, example of a user with the two warnings: https://piefed.zip/u/grimreaper@sopuli.xyz
  
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  - goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    And here’s an example of a bigger troll who it surprise surprise doesn’t get flagged feddit.online/u/FiniteBanjo
    
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    Blaze@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Would you rather discard a tool that identifies 90% of trolls just because it doesn’t reach 100% accuracy?
    
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- Blaze@piefed.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  Because it’s treated differently in piefed but
  
  Then Piefed is fine?
  
  Especially with instances that love to keep those types around, see world and shit just works.
  
  Instances who tolerate bad faith trolls or bad actors are going to do so with or without tools such as Piefed’s.
  
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  - goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    Because it’s treated differently in piefed but still an example of how the software is designed to punish those who do not act the way the creator wants.
    
    If the part after the but is ignored sure. But that part is also the issue so 🤷.
    
    The point is the tools of piefed will amply the bad actors by allowing them to do the worst parts of reddit in the fediverse.
    
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    Blaze@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Piefed system doesn’t punish those who do not act “the way the creator wants”.
    
    Downvotes given are only actions from the user, no interaction from the Piefed dev.
    
    Downvotes received is feedback from other users, no interaction from the Piefed dev either.
    
    allowing them to do the worst parts of reddit in the fediverse.
    
    Trolls are already around, as you pointed out in another comment. I would rather have a tool that works 80% of the time to detect trolls than no tools at all.
    
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