Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural"

clot27@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• Just_Lyin@lemmy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets

  I am not vegan. But I’m pretty sure if everyone switched to a plant-based diet it would require significantly less land usage. And thus we could more easily feed everyone. Including those malnourished children.

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  • gigajhand@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    do you really think people are malnourished because of insufficient land?

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    • Just_Lyin@lemmy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The amount of available agricultural land is not a factor? I’m just pointing out that one is more efficient than the other. And will feed more people with a given available space.

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  • goedel@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    if everyone switched to a plant-based diet

    I’ve never seen a plan to actually achieve this

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    • Just_Lyin@lemmy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I didn’t say it was feasible. Just knocking down an argument that meat is a better choice for feeding more people.

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• lalo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Plant based diets are globally around 30% cheaper than other diets and it’s adoption not only can be healthy, but it would be sustainable for the planet.

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  • goedel@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    this study is to narrow to make such a claim

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    • lalo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      How is it too narrow? They have considered data from more than 150 countries.

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      • goedel@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        they only compared retail costs. they didn’t account for people who get food for free or near free through poverty subsistence programs or hunting or fishing or farming their own. it basically didn’t cover poor people at all.

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• xxd@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You know you can do both, right? Be vegan and fight billionaires. But I do somewhat agree that it is an elite issue, you do need to be in a somewhat privileged position to become vegan.

  But also… who is promoting the global south to go vegan? As far as I’m aware, most vegans just try to get the people in generally developed countries to go vegan, as you have plenty of choices there, and most people are not fighting malnourishment.

  And also, I think it’s perfectly justified and not dehumanizing to critique cultures that promote (animal) abuse. Culture is a terrible justification for anything, if that thing is actually harmful.

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• JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I don’t think that’s really true. Meat is a delicacy for poorer communities that are basically vegan due to only being able to afford cheap grains / vegetables

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  • clot27@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    In my country where alot of children are malnourished and significant population is stunted Its not feasible nor realistic to shift to meat.

    Not to mention alot of people here have easier access to meat than they do to vegetables because the amount of rabid capitalism that goes on that breaks both farmers and consumers benefiting the middlemen. alot of poorer backward communities have relied on cattle for their living.

    The supposed upper caste people lynch and harass minorities/backward groups who consume meat so it is hard for me to get in line with veganism.

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    • Just_Lyin@lemmy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Well, that’s a pretty abyssmal situation in your country and I’m sorry to hear that. I would not argue that not eating meat is better than malnourishment or starvation.

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