Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural"
lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 hours agoYou agreed with:
Forcibly impregnating someone is also called rape.
Also agreed with:
It’s not rape if it’s your dog
And clarified:
However, my dog is my property, and someone can only artificially inseminate my property with my permission.
With these, we can derive your proposition: “Forcibly impregnating a dog that is your property is not rape”.
I then made the first question:
If I own a human slave, me artificially inseminating them without consent isn’t rape?
Which is directly related, I just substituted “dog” with “human slave”. No mention of “dog” or “livestock” in the above question, so there’s no comparison nor equating as you said “Animal livestock are not comparable to human slaves”. (If you disagree, please explicitly point out what is being compared and bring quotes).
Then I posed another question:
If I DNA test the slave from earlier and discover they aren’t human, inseminating them without consent wouldn’t be rape? Which is still completely relevant to your proposition, I just added a qualifier to the being that’s being artificially inseminated.
If your logic worked in real life […] then prove it by sticking to reality. You are commiting a modal fallacy by saying “real life” and “sticking to reality”, as if had posed a physical hypothetical, which would mean “possible in this world”.
I am posing you a logical hypothetical, which means “true in a possible world”. If your proposition holds up to logic and reason (i.e. is a resonable proposition), you should be able to answer my logical hypotheticals and stop avoiding them like they’d hurt you.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Your question is fundamentally unanswerable because I don’t know what your imaginary “hooman” is (neither do you. As a matter of fact, it isn’t even one thing because it will change and become anything you need it to be try to “catch” me in a false gotcha).
Nice try though.
lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 hour ago
You asked for clarification on the second question, yet could at least have answered the first one. Seem like you are avoiding answering the first question.
I don’t know what your imaginary “hooman” is. Imagine a random human you don’t know. It’s that human, they have every human characteristic but it’s discovered they aren’t from the species Homo sapiens.theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I didn’t answer it because equating slaves to livestock is reprehensble and disgusting. Of course artificially inseminating any person, no matter free or enslaved, is rape.
So they don’t then, do they?
lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 hour ago
Of course they don’t, that’s why I used the word “but”. Now you also realized why I named them “hoomans” instead of “humans”. Good one!
Kinda like we can say “odd numbers are the integers but the multiples of 2”. “But” meaning “removed”, “without”.
Are you gonna answer any of my questions? I don’t want other people to have the impression that you avoid questions, but I’m afraid this deep in the thread they might feel like you’re avoiding answering.