Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural"

• EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Extinction would be a kindness for domesticated livestock species (or subspecies…whatever they are classified as).

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  • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s factory farming because at this point if it weren’t for raising animals for slaughter, we would have hunted pretty much everything to extinction. Vegan might be less harmful (aside that we evolved to eat meat and a vegan diet is hard to get right) but it isn’t without death. All those plants kill loads of insects and field mice and birds and rabbits. Everyone still gets a bit of blood on their hands.

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    • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      All those plants kill loads of insects and field mice and birds and rabbits

      Eating plants directly significantly reduces the deaths of insects and other wildlife caused by agriculture. It takes a lot of plants to produce meat.

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      • goedel@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        the meat industry hasn’t shrunk because of the existence of vegetarians. no deaths have been reduced at all.

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    • PetteriSkaffari@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      A vegan diet is not hard to get right. Not at all. The only hard part is that most people are not vegan.

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      • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        What one of the annoying things about vegans trying to convert others into their diets is claiming it “isn’t that hard”. I don’t know if y’all are trying to gaslight other people, or gaslight yourselves. Vegetarian is “not that hard”. Vegan is troublesome, more expensive, and much harder to get all the B12 and calcium and iron and fatty acids etc that you need to stay fit and healthy. It’s a pain in the ass to avoid anything from animals and get everything you you need that humans evolved to obtain from animals.

        Meanwhile, a regular 3 topping slice of pizza contains every single thing the body needs. As an omnivore you’ll get it all on accident. A vegetarian will get it all with a touch of effort.

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• sukhmel@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Are they overdue to go extinct somehow?

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  • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The cows we have that we get milk and beef from never lived in the wild. They’re domesticated from wild aurochs that started up around 10,000 years ago. Cows are domesticated food sources that wouldn’t exist without us, just like dogs wouldn’t exist without us.

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    • sukhmel@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Ah, yeah, I thought it was if we go extinct, not if we never existed

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      • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I wonder if they would all die off if we went extinct? I know most of them would, but I’m not sure if they could survive self care. They’re large enough that some areas don’t have predators that would mess with them. Like, I don’t think a bunch of coyotes would take out a cow and mountain lions would probably stick to smaller stuff.

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