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just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

First, yes, he’s correct in talking about the SOFTWARE side of that, so if your anger is with this dude, you better just outlaw software, because anyone can choose to NOT do these things. That’s the entire point of open source. Make stupid decisions, and you have zero following.

Second, let me finish his thought for you:

But we will never enforce using any of these features in systemd itself. It will always be up to the distro to enable and configure the system to become an immutable monolith. And I certainly don’t think distributions like Fedora or Debian will ever go in that direction.

We don’t really have any control over what Microsoft decides to do with Secure Boot. If they decide at one point to make Secure Boot reject any Linux distribution and hardware vendors prevent enrolling user owned keys, we’re in just as much trouble as everyone else running Linux will be.

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tomalley8342@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

He’s very CLEARLY illustrating his intent to prevent the very thing you’re shutting your pants about

It will always be up to the distro

We don’t really have any control over what Microsoft decides to do

where is the prevention brother?

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- just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Uhhhh…it’s open. Didn’t know anyone needed precautionary blocks in place or permission.
  
  What in the actual hell is happening in here. Who made you so fearful of everyone? Did somebody hurt you? WHO DID IT???
  
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  - tomalley8342@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    We know from systemd that these people are willing to use corporate resources to snuff out grassroots alternatives to grow their market share, and we know from the sorry state of boot chains on basically every device that isn’t x86 UEFI that corporations are salivating at the idea of implementing trusted computing at the expense of user freedoms, and we know know from the above quotes that the best assurance the founders of this companies have is “we just provide the tools, it’s up to the corporations to decide how to use it, teehee!” The only mystery here is people like you here who see all this and think “surely things will go different this time. these are good boys”.
    
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    just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    How is systemd somehow taking away freedoms at the behest of corporations who asked such a thing?
    
    UEFI is an open standard, buddy. Microsoft is the only player fucking that up
    
    "Trusted Computing" has existed in the very hardware you own and run for almost 30 years now. Literally nobody but cellphone makers use it in the way you describe. Seems you’re still using it though, so nobody seems to have made the apocalyptic decisions that bring your fearful future to bear.
    
    A “Trusted Computing” framework - and this is how I know you don’t understand any of this - is only present. It takes software to interact with it to “take your freedoms away” as you put it. It’s just sitting there otherwise. Nobody even needs to interact with it. You’re so out of touch with this that you’re angry at the wrong side of it, and you don’t even know it.
    
    “…we just provide the tools…”. MY GOD. Where do I even start with this? I can name about a hundred different FOSS tools that break encryption. You mad at the people who made the FOSS encryption tools, or the ones who the FOSS tools to decrypt it?
    
    The only people who want this are people make and produce hardware platforms that ship out into the world so they can ensure they are T2B secure. It seems you don’t know much about security, so I’ll let you in a little secret…(If it claims to be secure, it means there are hardware controls in place)
    
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