Yeah it’s gonna hurt a lot when they enshittify
Comment on Tailscale Services GA: App-aware connectivity with more control
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
While this is great, especially for smaller self-hosters, as a setup gets more and more dependent on Tailscale, one should think about self-hosting Headscale, and therefore not being over-reliant on services not offered by it. I’m in that boat and I haven’t done the Headscale migration yet.
Archer@lemmy.world 2 days ago
MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 3 days ago
did it one 8-Months ago or so…just works… like black magic. Fire and forget VPN (But SSO is a must in my opinion otherwise key exchange is too tideous ) I did it about 8 months ago… it just works like black magic. It’s a “fire and forget” VPN, but SSO is a must in my opinion; otherwise, key exchange is too tedious.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
You’re talking about Headscale right?
MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 3 days ago
Yes… sry wasn’t clear about that…
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Can you share what components are you using for SSO, UI, etc.?
prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 3 days ago
I switched to pangolin and I am amazed how well it works.
WingedObsidian@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Love pangolin
hoppolito@mander.xyz 2 days ago
I have long had a switch to pangolin for my homelab services on the roadmap. Can you explain what you mean with internal connections making more sense?
WingedObsidian@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Just minor issue that maybe I’m not configuring correctly but when I use private resources I have to use the Ip instead of the alias. Looked online and it seemed other users were experiencing the same issue of not being able to use the alias. At this point I’m almost thinking it might be easier set up a second traefik container that just handles all the local connections and configure manually. Would love to just type my *.local address and have it be simple like that. Otherwise I love it and everything else it comes with! An alternative could be netbird, but want to see if I can figure out that small tid bit of pangolin first.
irmadlad@lemmy.world 3 days ago
What is it about Tailscale that is giving you heartburn? I am over reliant on my ISP. Without them, selfhosting would be rather bland.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Ownership, size and profit growth strategy. My ISP is a massively profitable regulated oligopoly. They aren’t providing a free service today that they’ll have to monetize down the line to compensate for the time operating on VC funding. Tailscale, awesome as it is today, is in my view guaranteed to enshittify over time as they start getting pressed to grow profit. That’s not too much of a problem for me since the clients I use are open source and there’s an alternative open source server. If I used features unavailable in Headscale or were in over my head and unable to self-host Headscale, I might be in a bad time some time down the line.
irmadlad@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Would it make you feel better if you paid Tailscale for one of their plans? It’s not like they are just giving away their whole enterprise. It’s fairly trivial for them to give free services, kind of like Cloudflare, Oracle, et al. Reading a bit reveals:
That seems pretty profitable. Enshitification happens. It’s been going on since I was born. If it’s free on the internet, and later it becomes a paid service, then I just find something else that fits. Or pony up the cheapest plan they have, which currently is their Personal Plus @ $5 USD per month. I don’t mind paying for a good service and $5 USD is burger from McDonalds. Extremely well under what most people put into a hobby. Will prices increase? Maybe…everything goes up. Rarely do services and utilities go down in price. When the price points are no longer justifiable, again, I look for something else that fits.
non_burglar@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I don’t think that’s a given necessarily, I think it’s a common pattern under the vc funding -> IPO model.
But companies like Steam and Patagonia show that companies don’t all have to follow the same predictable enshittification arc.
kurcatovium@piefed.social 3 days ago
There’s also Netbird, worth checking out.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
That’s one way to look at it. I used to look at paid VC-funded services like that. I no longer do as I’ve observed services I pad good money for get more expensive much faster than inflation and decrease in quality and features at the same time. It’s one reason I self-host many services I used to pay third parties for. I now look to alternatives from the get go and derisk existing dependencies. To be clear - profitability isn’t merely the only problem. The ownership and its profit growth strategy (and expecrations) are. Those are not the same in a decades old ISP and a VC-funded startup.