Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem

Iceblade02@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Cantaloupe@lemmy.fedioasis.cc ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Nah, it was decided with a vote. The majority in that server wanted Feddit blocked and that’s what came.

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  • Iceblade02@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ah yes because nothing authoritarian was ever implemented through a vote…

    Personally, I voted against on my db0 account, the top voted comments explain pretty thoroughly why.

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    • Cantaloupe@lemmy.fedioasis.cc ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Voting to block a domain and having that domain blocked isn’t comparable to electing an authoritarian leader. Dbzer0 can choose who to and not to federate with. Users who don’t like that move to another instance easily.

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      • Iceblade02@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Voting to block a domain and having that domain blocked isn’t comparable to electing an authoritarian leader.

        Nobody has said that? What it does is remove the choice from each individual, which is authoritarian, even if done via majority vote. There was nothing stopping those who wanted the domain blocked to do that themselves.

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    • QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Authoritarian is a basically meaningless word already but “people voting for something I don’t like” is an especially idiotic way to define it.

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      • Iceblade02@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “people voting for something I don’t like” is an especially idiotic way to define it.

        You’re right, that would be idiotic. Good thing I didn’t define authoritarian that way, and no, it is not a meaningless word, you can (in fact) look it up in a dictionary which describes the meaning fairly well.

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• _donnadie_@feddit.cl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s kind of a weird argument considering lemmy.world has also blocked other instances, and (correct me if I’m wrong) without a vote on it.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You are indeed correct. Lemmy.world is less democratic than dbzer0.

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  • goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hell world wouldn’t even punish a mod for rule breaking behavior

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  • Iceblade02@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    .world was already bad, doesn’t stop me from being disappointed when one of the instances I liked more gets worse.

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• Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yet another example of why the abstrct concept of “authoritarianism” is useless. In this case, the people of dbzer0 decided democratically to wield their authority to defederate from an instance with an explicit Zionist problem. It isn’t the defederation that’s the problem in the abstract, or the authority, it’s the fact that this authority was used against Zionists.

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  • Iceblade02@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    or the authority

    Authority is exactly the problem. Who would’ve thought that somebody with an account on an anarchist instance has problems with other people telling them what they can and can’t do?

    Shocking, I know.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’re arguing against the people wielding their power againdt Zionists and in favor of Zionists being able to speak freely.

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      • Iceblade02@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Wow, is it really so hard to believe that I’m, you know, saying what I think?

        .world happened to be my first fediverse account, dbzer0 came later. I’ve lots at this point, exactly because of instance defederation, but the idea of what db0 was doing seemed particularly interesting, hence my disappointment.

        In any case I’ve nothing more to add here.

        Hope you get a nice weekend, ciao.

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    • QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So all moderation is wrong? Also you seem to very clearly not understand what anarchism is beyond the infantile “tyranny of bedtime” surface.

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      • Iceblade02@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So all moderation is wrong?

        No.

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You mean like you telling every other user on db0 that they can’t defed?

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      • Iceblade02@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You can achieve essentially the same effect via blocking. Bypassing defederation instead requires using a different instance.

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• BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So how do you justify making .world your primary instance?

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  • Iceblade02@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It isn’t, I have active accounts on a handful of instances atm.

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• GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  slowly?

  fuck dude, they’ve been speed running that shit for years.

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  • Iceblade02@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You might be thinking about .ml instances. dbzer0 has been one of the most open instances. I’m just disappointed at the current trend.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Both .ml instances are extremely broadly federated. Grad is defederated by more instances, but nevertheless remains federated on their end, meaning Grad accounts see pretty much everything except a few instances.

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