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• LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Ah, OK, so you’re just refuting the idea that Israelites have lived there, in that very same region, for thousands of years, for which we have archaeological and historical data? All of that is a hoax? Like, an Egyptian dude was going “LOL, let’s write those guys in, hilarity will ensue 3000 years later”?

  Yes, their descendants are called Palestinians today. This also has nothing to do with the fact that the current conflict is 100 years old and not 1000 or thousands.

  Wow, maybe if you elaborated on what you meant, like I asked, then I’d understand what you meant better? Weird how communication works, eh?

  I don’t know how much clearer I can make it: this “conflict” is a hundred years old and you are distorting history to support colonialism. The “Israelis” are settlers, the Palestinians are the native population, descended in part from the people “Israelis” claim falsely to be the continuation of.

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  • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    So, it’s not about “Israelis vs Palestinians”, or wider, “Israelis vs Arabs”. It’s just literally about the establishment of Israel as a nation? That’s it?

    Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

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    • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

      Telling that you can’t separate a nation that was founded as a settler colony less than 80 years ago from its entire population.

      So, it’s not about “Israelis vs Palestinians”, or wider, “Israelis vs Arabs”. It’s just literally about the establishment of Israel as a nation? That’s it?

      It’s about colonialism, which is exactly “Israelis” (colonizers) vs. Palestinians (the native people). Again, people like Ben Gurion and Herzl were extremely open about this.

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Telling that you can’t separate a nation that was founded as a settler colony less than 80 years ago from its entire population.

        Why do you consider Israel to be the settler colony, and not Palestine of both peoples were in the exact same situation 80 years ago? Both were living in the region (and spread out all around the world, with a higher percentage of Israelis than Palestinians “roaming”) for thousands of years, both nations were established at the exact same time with the exact same resolution. How is only one of them a “settler colony”?

        It’s about colonialism, which is exactly “Israelis” (colonizers) vs. Palestinians (the native people)

        Again, this is only true if you either ignore all the archaeological and historical evidence we have, or are a fundamentalist extremist who’s calling for a genocide. Which are you?

        colonialism is genocidal.

        That’s not how words work, mate.

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

      So anyone who supported the end of Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa was pro genocide.

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia and South Africa? You can show me on the map.

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