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• agentant@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Ok but you don’t reject the Israeli State. Which was founded on a genocide. This is like saying you’re anti-genocide but you support the US’s right to exist.

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  • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Ok but you don’t reject the Israeli State. Which was founded on a genocide

    I disagree here.

    Palestinians and Israelites lived in the region for - literally - thousands of years, but neither had a nation. The exact same resolution that established Israel, also established Palestine, and that happened after the “civil war” between them. It wasn’t genocide, it was a ham-fisted attempt at stopping a genocide, because both parties wanted to eliminate the other.

    Do I agree to all Israel’s policies, including the occupation of West Bank and Gaza? Absolutely not. Do I agree that the way these two nations were established was correct? Absolutely not.

    But this is what they got, and they need to learn to live with it. Just like Qatar did. Or Yemen. Or Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, and Jordan, etc. They were all established by the colonial powers after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, they were all created by moronic Europeans who divided the land based off of oil reserves, and not history, culture, or religion. But - somehow - you don’t see Qatar fighting Bahrain non stop, or Emirates bombing the Saudis.

    This is like saying you’re anti-genocide but you support the US’s right to exist.

    I’m against going “ooh, but historically X should be Y”. What’s the historical state you want to turn back the borders to? Should Poland stop existing because we’re turning back time to the 18th century? Are we going back to 19th century, where Ukraine was under the russian boot? What is the “correct” state of the world’s borders, in your opinion?

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• LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I love how you guys call me a “genocide defender” after I’ve stated so many times that Netanyahu and everybody responsible for the genocide should be tried and eliminated. :D

  You think this is because of Netanyahu and that this genocide is a recent thing? This genocide is inherent to the state of “Israel”, which is a settler colony. If you believe “Israel” should exist, you are a genocide defender.

  You’re exactly like MAGA - a fundamentalist who believes that if someone isn’t 100% committed to ALL tenets of your cause, they’re a traitor and an enemy. This tribalism is pathetic and a cancer on our society.

  No, I just think people who think colonialism is acceptable are enemies. Because they are.

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  • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    You think this is because of Netanyahu and that this genocide is a recent thing?

    Yes, the genocide is a recent thing considering the Palestinian population has been steadily growing, while their culture was not in any danger of being wiped out.

    This genocide is inherent to the state of “Israel”, which is a settler colony. If you believe “Israel” should exist, you are a genocide defender.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, they’re out to get you right after they’ve finished eating their newborn babies. WTF are you smoking,

    If you believe “Israel” should exist, you are a genocide defender.

    You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what “genocide” means.

    Funnily enough - YOU are a proponent of genocide, if you believe the Israelites should have their nationality removed. That’s literally one of the defining aspects of a genocide.

    No, I just think people who think colonialism is acceptable are enemies. Because they are.

    I don’t defend colonialism >as defined in real life<. It’s not what you consider to be “colonialism”, but that’s just because you’re a fundamentalist and an extremist.

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    • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Yes, the genocide is a recent thing considering the Palestinian population has been steadily growing, while their culture was not in any danger of being wiped out.

      lmao, Nakba AND colonialism denial. Excellent.

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, they’re out to get you right after they’ve finished eating their newborn babies. WTF are you smoking,

      More colonialism denial.

      Yeah, it’s all just colonialism denial. You are a genocidal colonialism supporter.

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Where did I deny colonialism? I acknowledge the fact that Israel is occupying (and colonising) the West Bank and Gaza, I firmly believe they should be pushed out and forced to pay reparations for the decades of stealing land and killing Palestinians.

        Is this “colonialism denial” to you?

        Yeah, it’s all just colonialism denial. You are a genocidal colonialism supporter. No amount of calling “Israelis” “Israelites” to pretend they’re native to the region and not colonizers will make it true.

        Israelis vs Israelites might come from language barrier. English is not my native language.

        But saying they’re not native to the region when we have archaeological and historical evidence of them being there over 3000 years ago is either extreme ignorance, or fundamentalist extremism.

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• BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  You are defending genocide; you are a genocide defender.

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  • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Oh! That’s a great example!

    Show me on the map which countries have partitioned taken over Germany’s lands after WW2!

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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      • mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        This person is obsessed with partioning for some reason, I think they genuinely believe that the nationstate is some naturally occuring phenomenon? I think their retort would be that it was only temporary or something, absolutely baffling behavior

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Are you… suggesting that the existence of Germany on our current maps is a hoax and in reality it doesn’t exist…?

        WTF are you trying to show here?

        Facts are this: 3rd Reich got spanked, its government eliminated, its people remained where they were, and after a short while, governance over the territory was restored to the German people (with the exception of East Germany, but that had nothing to do with 3rd Reich being removed, that was just russia’s attempt at colonialism).

        Now, in terms of Israel, people here seem to be suggesting that we should let Hamas “do its thing”, which is: the complete eradication of Israel as a state, a nation, and a culture. Which, by all definitions, is a genocide.

        I’m saying: let’s spank them, eliminate their government, let their people remain where they are, and after a short while, restore the governance of its territory to the Israeli people (with the caveat that West Bank and Gaza return to Palestine).

        Which is what we did with the 3rd Reich. And for which you people are calling me a proponent of colonialism and genocide.

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