Does no one here understand the younger generations access to ideas? I think the idea that every one claims of creating echo chambers is not an effective one. The law of diminishing returns (as a business term) states that all else held equal an increase in production( or the free debate or posting of opinions) will not produce more profit after a certain point ( or the changing of others opinions) . When it comes to people posting and espousing for state sponsored genocide I think we have hit the top of that curve. If you stop the flow of that information you are not creating echo chambers but more effectively stopping the spread of bullshit and hate. They have Xhitter. Fucking ban this genocidal shit every chance you get, either foundationally or personally. I dont get a whiff of this on shitjust works because I dont engage with it.
You can’t change the mind of someone you don’t have access to.
humble_boatsman@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Does no one here understand the younger generations access to ideas?
Feels an awful lot like “won’t somebody think of the children?”
All that means is you’ve closed your eyes to the world around you. It doesn’t mean that the world has changed. Avoidance doesn’t help. It actually makes things worse because you cede the moral and intellectual territory.
Alternatively, you can actually take the fight to people instead of hiding from problems. And as far as what the younger generation sees, if you aren’t providing arguments against fascism, against zionism, who is going to win that mind?
thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
No one is hiding from problems, but flowers do not grow in a battlefield. They’re trampled. You need to have safe retreat, a place to teach, cultivate and grow. Inclusion means ensuring safe harbor through the exclusion of bad actors. I’m here now in the trench, but I do not have to live in the trench. Don’t you get that? I have a place to return to, a place to regroup, discuss, laugh, be marry in dark times. What you’re advocating for is a horizonless battlefield, with no end in sight. An endless sea of torment and combat with no safe harbor. And for what? “The market place of ideas’”? What a joke. What a dated and dead concept.
The notion of a “free market of ideas” is as mythical as the notion of a free market of goods. Both conjure up an image of a bazaar in which many small producers sell their wares on a more or less equal footing. In fact—be it commodities or commentary—to reach a mass market you need substantial sums of money to buy exposure and distribution. Those without corporate media connections end up with a decidedly smaller clientele, assuming they are able to survive at all.
This idea applies to these modes of communication as well. The ideological expression of an instance is at it’s core the ideological view of it’s administration in the abstract. There is no equal footing. Zionist instances will ban you on Zionist grounds. Creating an “inclusive” space for Zionists and their cohort. You can not “win” a debate in their realm as they always have the administration on their side.
The same is true for db0. This motion is simply the negation of the contradiction between wanting to maintain an inclusive and welcoming space for Palestinians, anti-zionists of all stripes, Muslim and Arab peoples; and the open federation model of activitypub.
The people who want to get into the trenches will. For those who don’t, db0 is finally a safe harbor for those listed above. Free from having their identities, their lives, their humanity debated for the sake of the free market of ideas.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Man you really beat the fuck out of that strawman.
humble_boatsman@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
Its not won’t somebody think of the children… Its get this shit out of their face. Block it. Thats the beauty of the fediverse.
The initial point was that younger generations feed off engagements. You block the conversation and it doesn’t exist. Its not a matter of closing your eyes to the world. Its closing the gates to the exact statement I made. Does no one understand how the younger generation get the information? Engagement. Was the answer. Failure to allow a platform will stop the spread of the misinformation in the first place.
‘Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference’.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
I get what your saying on an institutional level
Yeah. Is what it is. I don’t think feddit is some kind of zionist propaganda machine, although its clear that it hosts plenty of zionists. I’d rather berate, abuse, mock, and contest them in the comments. I have enough respect for the youth to trust their judgement.
Riverside@reddthat.com 14 hours ago
Yes, that’s the idea, making sure that Zionists don’t have access to anyone.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 hours ago