Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem

• goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  When avoiding ideas or being challenged yes. When avoiding abuse no

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The former often feels like the later.
    Even more so when you’re not used to it.

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• Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  This is only the case if you’re annoyed by people disagreeing with you. That’s what makes echo chambers.

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  • davel@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You’re right, we should continue listening to the opinions of fascists and Lolita Express passengers until the end of time, otherwise we’ll be blindly bumping into furniture in our echo chamber.

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    • Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I think you misread my comment. I agree that we shouldn’t let the fascists speak. I’m arguing against the comment above that says blocking fascists is a slippery slope to blocking everyone.

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      • davel@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Oh my bad

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    • Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      First: your comment appears to be a reply to them not me. I think that’s where the confusion came from.

      Second: You seem to be conflating listening to ideas with supporting them.

      Third: Blocking places with bad ideas doesn’t silence the people there or eliminate their ideas. It contributes to their isolation and echo chamber. Often more then yours. You in fact end up helping make them worse. Which of course is worse for everyone.

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      • davel@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Second: You seem to be conflating listening to ideas with supporting them.

        We’ve already heard more than enough Zionist & fascist ideas.

        Third: Blocking places with bad ideas doesn’t silence the people there or eliminate their ideas. It contributes to their isolation and echo chamber. Often more then yours. You in fact end up helping make them worse. Which of course is worse for everyone.

        This echo chamber obsession is silly.

        • The echo chamber is overstated: the moderating effect of political interest and diverse media
        • Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of “Brainwashing”

         
        Online discourse isn’t going to defeat fascism. Fascism isn’t an ideology. It’s capitalist crisis management. It’s capitalism in decay.

        Once more let me remind you what fascism is. It need not wear a brown shirt or a green shirt – it may even wear a dress shirt. Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege.
        — Tommy Douglas

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