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Touching_Grass@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Gotta be honest. Yes blame us. It takes two to tango.

At one point in my life there was this anti consumer movement culturally that got absolutely destroyed and buried. Maybe we’re all just sheep without any free will controlled by Steve jobs of the world. We choose to keep certain fires lit and now we’re all freezing. That’s our fault.

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dependencyInjection@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think what people are missing here is that although a new phone comes out every year, not every consumer is on the same upgrade schedule.

If I keep my phone for five years then that’s four phones in not getting.

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- Soup@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  While I agree with you and work on the same timetable I think their point still very much stands.
  
  Look at cars, for example. A model is defined by it’s generation with each model year generally only having small upgrades, if any. With much of our lives if we were to wait that long we’d not miss one generation but instead feel five or more generations behind the curve.
  
  There’s so little of a need for a new phone every year that Apple now sells the iPhone 13, 14, and SE on top of whatever generation is current because they know that the newest tech is just not worth it anymore. Samsung does exactly the same thing and no amount of high-horse whining from Android users will change the fact that those companies are just as bad about it.
  
  We love to throw functional shit in the bin. We love to have overpowered stuff on the off-chance we might need it one day every couple years and we’re too pathetic to either just deal with it or to simply borrow/rent a better thing for that one instance(90% of truck and SUV drivers can absolutely go fuck themselves).
  
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tacosplease@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
How many people are actually getting a new phone every year? I don’t think I’m poor but maybe I am? Everyone I know keeps their phones for at least a few years and then replaces them when they are no longer functional.

Still. Every 3 years feels like too often, but that’s around the time things stop working - likely due to planned obsolescence and updates designed to make older phones work worse.

Should we really blame the consumer for replacing something the manufacturer designed to break after a short time? What’s something else you pay $1500+ for that is useless 3 years later?

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- LifeInOregon@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I know a few folks who do, but most of them have a hand-me-down cycle they follow. I get a new phone every 2-3 years and hand the old phone down to a friend or family member with something older.
  
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  - AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Same here, but I have teens. Parents get new phones every 2-4 years, teens get “new-is ph” phones with new batteries. Apple supports their phones about 6 years, so we have them the full supported life and get a little money back on trade-in.
    
    New batteries have been reasonably priced and easy to get done. We spend a little more for better cases so the phones usually last, however replacing a screen means replacing the phone
    
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    dependencyInjection@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Don’t bother with cases and just get AppleCare+.
    
    A glass screen protector is £20-30, replacing the display under AC is £25.
    
    A decent case like a Mous one is £50. Replacing the device under AC is £79.
    
    Plus the phone looks nicer, temps are better, and it’s less cases being manufactured.
    
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  - Wisely@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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    LifeInOregon@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    When it’s my kids, no. I have some family members that will pay me a little bit for devices I pass off, and while I’m not particularly financially set, I do well enough for myself, that I can sometimes eat the cost if I know, it’s gonna benefit someone who couldn’t buy themselves a new phone as often as I can pass it off.
    
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Papanca@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m not saying consumers are not to blame, but i have objections against the phrasing; as if it’s primarily blaming consumers. I myself am not quite a minimalist, but do have strong tendencies in that direction. So, i never cared about fashion, or buying the newest gadgets. And i know there are people who are the complete opposite. However, i do feel that companies fuel the greed of consumers big time.

While consumers need to educate themselves/be educated by their caretakers and schools, i feel the heart of the matter is the marketing culture and the tendency of companies of hiding shady practices, like profiting from child slaves who have to mine precious metals, or women slaving away in factories for long hours, while risking their lives and bodies due to unsafe machinery, buildings and being bullied by their employees, for a shamefully low salary.

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- captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yeah I think it’s very strongly both. I manage to resist consumption quite frequently and prefer to fix stuff up when I can. But also I’m not immune to propaganda.
  
  The systems at play require us to mindlessly consume. When a significant portion of people took to repairing our stuff they blocked us from doing it. They promoted these ideas and did their best so that both culture and counterculture were ones of consumption. Hell they promoted the idea of bundling phone purchasing into your phone contract so it became an every 2 year upgrade. I wound up being the weird one for not since I buy my phone outright when the old one doesn’t work anymore. Fuck, I’ve had to argue with internet providers’ sales people that I own my own equipment and only want what I want, and sometimes they ignore my demands and throw such things in anyways. And they start in on it when you’re a kid.
  
  But we keep doing it. The fact is these nice things are nice. Upgrading feels good. And when it’s easier to upgrade than to not it can take dedication to consume less. They set this culture up, but we perpetuate it. New is nice. Better is nice. We like these things. It’s a hell of a lot easier to show off a new phone than to brag about refurbishing yours. Just consume and dispose.
  
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- Cringe2793@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Welcome to Singaporean news, where everything is the fault of the consumer.
  
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technojamin@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think along this line of reasoning when it comes to evaluating myself. It’s how I keep myself in check and “sharpen” myself as a person. I like to remind myself of how often I fall short of it though. I also like to remind myself of the things that I have going for me that others might not have had.

When I play the more charitable viewpoint of other people’s life experiences out in my head, it’s usually pretty easy to see them getting where they are. There’s a lot of suffering in this world, and large, effectively international companies are finding ways to exacerbate that in order to keep their businesses growing. It’s nice to sit down after a long day and veg out to short little videos, where each gives you a little chuckle or smile. It’s not that hard to get caught in the trap.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I agree completely that the path we’re going down is concerning and scary, and individuals can absolutely put the work in to make their lives better and elevate above the mainstream, but for any given person, that can be very difficult for any multitude of reasons, and we can’t forget compassion for them.

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TurtleJoe@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don’t think there were ever that many of us who read Adbusters every month, but it’s likely even fewer now.

I think that reality TV and social media influencers have had as much to do with people embracing conspicuous consumption as a culture as much as advertisers have.

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