Comment on Kate Mulgrew Defends ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ And Captain Ake From “Disrespectful” Online Attacks

• DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  SNW is a good balance. Discovery on the other hand, was way too emotional for me. Where is STSA on the crying-every-other-scene scale?

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  • bufalo1973@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    My main problem with DIS has a name: Michael Burnham. Not the actress, the script.

    And about your question: no, the crying is only in scenes that work (traumatic or sentimental enough) unlike DIS.

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    • RamenJunkie@midwest.social ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, Burnham could have been better and she was the center too much. I like Discovery as a show, but I hate it as Star Trek because it actively goes out of its way eschew so many baseline Trek Tropes, the biggest and most obvious being the Spore Drive. It feels like the writers were like “We don’t want to deal with the time issues of Warp travel.”. Then they extended this to the personal transports, which at least made sense as it was the 32nd century.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      it was pretty much a push"woman can have masculine names too" kind of preachy attitude from Kurtzman, and not just ambigious name that be either gender.

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      • bufalo1973@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I don’t mean the name itself. I mean the way Michael behaves. Even more when you think that she was adopted by a Vulcan family.

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  • Shadow@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I found Discovery the same way, it’s the only trek series I couldn’t make it through.

    Picard suffered from bad writing unfortunately. Season 3 cashed in on nostalgia and I appreciate it for that, but the first 2 seasons were very meh.

    Starfleet academy is great though, IF you’re ok with a show targeted to young adults. If you’re not ok with that, the episodes will be very hit and miss. The most recent episode was fantastic, once you get through the 3 minute long sex scene it opened with. Even that does serve a purpose though to show the bond that’s developed between two chars.

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    • DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Oh, I don’t talk about Picard. Too much WTF.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      STA is another “SGU-like” i only see it will end quickly.

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      • Shadow@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Yeah you’re wrong. I could barely make it through a few episodes of SGU, but STA is much better.

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  • CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    STSA feels like a blend of Lower Decks and Discovery to me. I also had issues with Discovery (though it got better after the time jump) but have been enjoying Academy each week.

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    • Mirshe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The SAM episode was a little meh, personally, but I like that they’re dealing with the shorter season format and still doing episodes based around each character.

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• isosphere@beehaw.org ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  IMO “woke” is a red herring when it comes to criticism of newer star trek. Some people hate things for this reason, but it obscues a more interesting discussion.

  The real dimensions of value are the writing, the vision, what each series considers “action”, etc. I think it’s a distinction between what you’d expect from a Star Trek movie and a Star Trek TV show. They’re for different audiences, and I think Discovery, STA are going for a much wider market appeal (in varying degrees) and it changes the narrative structure, pacing, etc. I think they’re exploring the audience space with variations on Star Trek themes to grow the francise, and sometimes it’s to the detriment of what some people like about Star Trek - and sometimes it brings in new people.

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• Little8Lost@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I dont like DIS because it does not feel very trek to me with the ugly klingons and the overall dark stories and characters. Also (like PIC) its very storyline so i cant really just jump into an episode and be happy (or unhappy, whatever story the episode is)            

  On the other side i think SNW is what should have been the first series after the pause after ENT. Its hopeful, most episodes can be watched alone and it still has a background story like VOY. And like every trek its woke.

  I think that PIC would have gotten a similar (smaller?) shitstorm compared to DIS if that was the first after the pause. LD maybe too but less for the quality and more because its animated. And PRO for feeling more nicelodeon than trek (or rather a mix)              

  If DIS came just later than others it would have probably been either more liked or at least ignored like a lot ignore PIC or Short Treks

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    its also all the discontinuity of the series too. Klingon appearance, cloaking tech, ADVANCED TELEPORTATION tech that is never mentioned in any of the old series at all even if just referenced without showing.

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• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  snw is actually quite less “woke” than STD, std has all no-men crew by season 4, it was pretty obvious, and the lgbtq+ people have largely been marginalized by that time too, after they served a purpose in season 1.

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