Comment on Russia Launches First Brain-Chipped Bird Drones for Surveillance Over Cities

worhui@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Propaganda mills run 24hrs in time of war. All sectors of industry are often involved.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Propaganda_Works

  I absolutely do not believe these claims until they’re independently verified

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  • gustofwind@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not sure propaganda has ever been more intense and widespread than it is now with ubiquitous tech addiction

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    • partofthevoice@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pretty sure I saw this one before… something something, wunderwaffen technology.

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  • worhui@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That is what I was getting out without trying to use the loaded words.

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• real_squids@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  according to Forbes Russia and a company statement

  duh

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  • OptimusPrimeDownfall@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You are putting a lot of faith in a people that can’t even build a competent tank.

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You do, of course, understand that this has nothing in common with building a tank?

      You do also understand that (just guessing) if you’re from a German instance, then probably everyone of consequence involved in designing military hardware in Russia has better knowledge of their domain area than people analogous to them from German MIC and military? Simply due to experience gained. That does apply to tanks.

      Anyway. I don’t know if it’s real, but you just go and read whose company it is. It might be.

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      • OptimusPrimeDownfall@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        While it as has nothing directly to do with building a tank, the fact that russia can’t design and build a tank that doesn’t play turret toss when it gets hit with a shell or break down in the middle of a parade DOES have a lot in common with this - it’s called brain drain.

        Literally all of the smartest young people left Russia because the pay was bad and the prospects for living were better I’m the west.

        You say thag everyone of consequence involved in designing military equipment in russia has better knowledge than Germany? Due to what experience, getting their World War 2 era tanks pulled out of the mud by Ukrainian tractors? They can’t even build more than a handful of the newest tank and then never send them into war. They haven’t fielded new equipment eccept inaccurate artillery shells.

        You’re wanting to claim a country that experienced that amount of brain drain is can do cutting edge brain surgery?? What, did they lobotomize you first?

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    • real_squids@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I know I’m just theorizing

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  • worhui@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is a remote control situation. The bird would do bird things once out of a control signal. They aren’t claiming full override and programming. I could easily see strapping a camera to a pigeon and training it. Maybe even remotely monitoring it and using a pre-trained electrical pulse to change direction.

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    • real_squids@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      yea true, they did mention preloading flight paths, so it might be radio-less (apart from gps ig)

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• moonshadow@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If it’s like the bug experiments, they aren’t controlling its muscles granularly but guiding the whole critter through pain/aversion. Going left hurts, bird goes right type deal

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• vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve heard of the particular people behind that particular company achieving similar things 12 years ago with, eh, humans. That’s of the “bloody regime horror stories” genre. There will be no proof.

  Also honestly

  would put the company decades beyond any tech I have seen

  why not? They have plenty of money and expertise. Something you don’t want to believe? Too bad, neither do I.

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• sqgl@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Indeed “thousands of km” is far fetched:

  some of which are expected to be sent thousands of kilometers away while others remain in Moscow for further trials.

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  • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well… The electronics are solar powered, so it’s not like batteries would run out. I’m not sure there are really limits on the flight range of a pigeon. I have to assume they’d be allowed to eat.

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    • sqgl@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How would they be controlled though?

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      • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I have no idea, controlling an animal’s brain is obviously the hard part too believe. But I don’t see how that affects their range.

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